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2/15/2013 7:47:12   
TRizZzCENTRINO
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quote:

Because, if all your customers are angry, and you ignore them all because they are angry and don't speak it out softly, this means you ignore all their feedback, and you're only listening to your happy customers.

nope not really, most angry players gives no useful informations what-so-ever, you think saying "OMG this is OP and it needs to be nerfed!" or "I'm not going to play ED anymore because the skill core is OP" is helpful? I'm sure that the devs already know that people are unhappy if they started giving feedbacks of how it is affecting the balance, there is no need to repeat it.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 76
2/15/2013 7:54:52   
the final hour
Banned
quote:

the final hour no you got it wrong we get less now you don't get the credits now with the varium package so its gone up in price


actually thats a good point i forgot about that.

i sent a tweet to titan anyway hopefully he will listen i have lil hope though

< Message edited by the final hour -- 2/15/2013 7:55:33 >
Post #: 77
2/15/2013 9:37:27   
Lord Machaar
Member

Hmm... I think you should stop thinking about adding, it's time to think about fixing, and completing what you haven't done yet... Tons of balances and hot fixes....
MQ Epic  Post #: 78
2/15/2013 9:51:10   
Remorse
Member

At an economic point of view,

The devs could be losing out on money in the long run because if you consider the alternative by offering the items in game for a high varium price as well.

It means that players will actually spend the varium they own.


This means that all though less people will by the 10k package for the promo items, However people that would of not purchased the promo items if they were exclusive to the 10k pack can do so.


A rough estimate I think is that around 5 times the amount of people won't end up buying the azreal promo items if it's exclusive which means if they offered it for 2000 varium In game, those 5 times more people will be included and they should make the majority of the community happy whilst keeping the same if not higher income longer term.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/15/2013 9:52:21 >
Epic  Post #: 79
2/15/2013 10:07:10   
TurkishIncubus
Member

quote:

@turkishincubus you don't get it do you? you are not forced to get the promos, you speak as if that you need to get the newest promo each time it is released, if you still have varium and don't wish to buy it then you don't have to, you only get it if the promo suits your character's looks, it is not delta phase anymore.


uhm... Yes they force usto pay 50$ every month for 2 items. I want to have those skill cores but i cant buy it with my 17k varium so i need to pay 50$ to get 2 items and useless 10k more varium.

Or you need to wait 1 year wtf?!?!
Atleast make it only promo for 2 weeks for the ppl want it quickly and then sell them in game with 1500-2000 varium for 1 week and then finish the event and item sale.

Like there is millions of ways to do it but developers have a talent to choose the most ridiculous one everytime. Im telling you few months later they will gonna change it again cause this make no sense.

I want to spent my varium but i cant find anything to buy. It looks like i cant buy items with it. What is left to buy in a PvP game that will make my character more stronger?
Epic  Post #: 80
2/15/2013 10:10:52   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 Dont want to interrupt your discussions but turkish, here you make your own downfall

quote:

I want to have those skill cores but i cant buy it with my 17k varium so i need to pay 50$ to get 2 items and useless 10k more varium.

Exactly what you say, you WANT it, you are NOT FORCED too.



< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 2/15/2013 10:11:27 >
Epic  Post #: 81
2/15/2013 10:31:41   
TurkishIncubus
Member

quote:

Exactly what you say, you WANT it, you are NOT FORCED too.


Lets imagine they made a skill core that directly makes you win. So they say if you pay 50$ you gonna win instantly and if you dont its your choice.

We all know how much advantage that fury gives and they gonna make even more powerfull skill cores to sell items. If you have Fury you will have higher chance to win the match and its same with these skill cores.

So if you dont buy these items you will gona lose more matches.

The situation is like this:
VARIUM PLAYER: Why i cant buy the items i have 17k varium?
DEVELOPER: Because we want you to pay 50$
VARIUM PLAYER: But i already paid i have 17k varium in my inventory.
DEVELOPER: We dont care, we need you to pay 50$ more.
VARIUM PLAYER: OK. But what am i gonna do with 27k varium in my inventory?
DEVELOPER: uhm... Buy useless house? or change class 20 times? just figure out something.

< Message edited by TurkishIncubus -- 2/15/2013 10:32:05 >
Epic  Post #: 82
2/15/2013 10:36:20   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 There is no such thing as a core that makes you win.
And a core that makes you strike, is a devastating core that makes ya win?

I mean come on, get your facts straight, these cores arent even good.
Epic  Post #: 83
2/15/2013 10:41:28   
Santa ClawZz
Member

@Turkish

Right now that's the only exclusivity of buying varium, along with having a shortcut to buying/upgrading weapons and buying default cores. ArtixEntertainment is a business after all, leaving varium as a shortcut only would not be beneficial for them. They gave us cheaper prices on everything, being able to buy any weapon, of any design and upgrade it to MAX. That means they are thinking about us, wanting to please us, so why not have some faith in them? They might just help us even more in the future
AQW Epic  Post #: 84
2/15/2013 10:43:41   
NFSXcharger
Member

so since this package is coming out, will the omega packages be leaving?, cause i still want to get the obilerator pack....
DF MQ  Post #: 85
2/15/2013 10:44:16   
Drianx
Member

@Blitzex

The cores are good. But this isn't even the point.

Main asset that you obtain for the money is varium. The weapons are only the bonus.

Logic says the main asset that you spend money into should be much more valuable than the bonus.

But what do you do when the bonus is way more valuable than the main asset itself? Even more, the bonus cannot be obtained in any other way.

What is more natural? To buy a car and get a candy as bonus, or to buy an infernally expensive candy and get a car as bonus?

No matter how you put it, this is uncommon and illogical.

< Message edited by Drianx -- 2/15/2013 10:45:23 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 86
2/15/2013 11:59:55   
Remorse
Member

^ Agreed,

@NFS,

The omega package will still be available, I think you will be given a choice of the heart-breaker or the omega weapons.
Epic  Post #: 87
2/15/2013 12:01:59   
Cookielord12
Member

I need this gun.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 88
2/15/2013 12:20:29   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

Logic says the main asset that you spend money into should be much more valuable than the bonus

The Logic you mean applies here.
It is a aux and gunwith only 1 core, how is that more valuable then 10.000 varium?
You can buy near 20 cores with that varium so your statement is completely false.
2 cores do NOT compete with 20 cores, expecially when it is a ONE TIME USE.

These cores are not this good to be more valuable then the 10k var itself.
Epic  Post #: 89
2/15/2013 12:27:17   
Dreiko Shadrack
Member

I can see this gun will annoy the heck out of me in battle.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 90
2/15/2013 12:28:10   
Calogero
Member

quote:

we went from...

10000 Varium - 15000 Credits - Promo weapon(s)

to

10000 Varium - Promo weapon

With little use of Varium ingame...
I kinda don't understand the thinking proces of EpicDuel staff.
They want to make the game equal for Non Variums and Variums by
pretty much removing all the perks Variums have and now they release
not even a month later a new promo weapon only accessable trough the
Promo pack while still retaining the Non Variums - Variums equality.

It just doesn't make sense imo.


Quote of what my opinion is in the other thread
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 91
2/15/2013 12:29:52   
Dreiko Shadrack
Member

It will especially annoy BH and CH
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 92
2/15/2013 13:39:17   
Darkeroid
Member

Can't wait to face people with this gun. COME AT ME BRO!!!!

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Epic  Post #: 93
2/15/2013 13:59:02   
_i_am_a_helper_
Member

I'm still not buying varium
Post #: 94
2/15/2013 14:01:45   
Ranloth
Banned


 Good for you?
AQ Epic  Post #: 95
2/15/2013 14:22:43   
Dreiko Shadrack
Member

First I'll check the balance changes, then I'll decide if I want to buy these weaps.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 96
2/15/2013 14:57:45   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

I would just like to add that Azrael's Will might be an overpowered skill core, but it's intention was to combat the number of unblockables in the game that we have been complaining about. The Devs intentions were to make the game more balanced against the strength builds using skill cores as unblockable sources of damage.
AQW Epic  Post #: 97
2/15/2013 15:09:09   
EpicIsEpic
Member

i dont know if they will nerf the str build or not but what i do know is high str builds will pwn e.g. Someone stuns you with maul then they use arazels will so you strike and boom bzecker!
So only if they nerf str builds and balance out the game then id agree its a good idea to make a skillcore like that
Post #: 98
2/15/2013 15:30:21   
J.U.S.T.I.C.E.
Member

Oh No! It's turning in to 'XboxLive' membership! Buy a set amount of varium for one good thing or another and then you lose it and it becomes worthless.. All you have left is the achievements and whatever you bought with it.

Overall I think that the devs haven't thought through this process correctly - sure, I love Omega even though I myself use a str merc build when I want to win fast games.. But when I'm not, I use my +5 focus and win around 98% of games.


The Devlopers have had a lot going on in their minds, e.g. balance, missions, bugs, complaints, compensation etc. So I don't blame them if this update is poor. However, I do expect some improvements within the game - expanding the storyline.. Making missions not all the time 'play to win' like the 300 pvp (900 in total for both yeti's) and the 50 yeti pelts.. (140 in total for all quests).. The drop rate of the yeti pelt is around 15%.. so You'd get a pelt every 6 games on average.. That's 6x140 = 840 times you have to fight a yeti.. (poor yeti's). This is a-bit extreme and I personally think the devs didn't think properly about.

There is always room for changes. Some for good and some for bad.

J.U.S.T.I.C.E.
AQW Epic  Post #: 99
2/15/2013 15:40:26   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

I for one find that since varium is valued at less, there is less need to spend it so you can save it and use it when new things come out. I no longer need to buy a million items just because they modify certain stats and the fully enhance it, now I only need energy and physical versions of every type of item which is much more affordable.
AQW Epic  Post #: 100
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