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2/18/2013 6:54:16   
zion
Member

Needs to be unblockable to be on par with other active cores. And we paid money for it...
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2/18/2013 6:56:16   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 -_-
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2/18/2013 7:01:56   
theholyfighter
Member

Nope, ppl will abuse the feature kind-of like Chairman's Fury.

Ppl will use it for its unblockability rather than its core effect.

Btw, the effect is unblockable, you know that right?

< Message edited by theholyfighter -- 2/18/2013 7:02:30 >
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2/18/2013 7:49:20   
zion
Member

I was blocked, so either its a bug or an injustice.
-5-10 stat points is equal to 10% more attack, so it must be unblockable.
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2/18/2013 7:51:07   
Vagaran
Member

The dmg it self can be blocked but not the effect. That is what theholyfighter is saying.
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2/18/2013 7:58:56   
Ranloth
Banned


 The difference is.. other cores are pure damage, this one has effect but is blockable.. <.< As of to the suggestion, no.
AQ Epic  Post #: 6
2/18/2013 8:02:36   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

its % needs to be raised but it should not be made unblockable, now it only decreases stats by 12-14 points it needs to be made to debuff stats for 20 points like the curse effect, it is considerably weak compared to other non delta curse effect promos.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
2/18/2013 8:06:22   
Scyze
Member

I personally don't like it's Core and the fact that its blockable makes it worse. I think the same way as Trizzy.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
2/18/2013 8:07:33   
Ranloth
Banned


 TRizZzCENTRINO, the difference is that Curse lowers Support only whilst Override can aim at any 4 of the stats which is guaranteed to be one that they rely on (hence the highest, in most cases).
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
2/18/2013 8:28:54   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above you still can't choose which stat you want to debuff, other promo cores are more useful like the bionic battlegear, it deals a 113% unblockable energy damage. in my honest opinion, it should be atleast a bit more powerful for a phase weapon, i mean even the new azrael cores are more useful, they are not great at dealing damage but they are for more strategic uses.
i think the omega over-ride should not be a single use per battle, it should have 4 cool-downs before it is used again.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 2/18/2013 8:37:35 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
2/18/2013 8:46:02   
Ranloth
Banned


 You can't choose but you can have similar debuff to Support IF used on Support build and target other skills for different builds. Ability to be able to debuff 4 stats outweighs debuffing of one. Even if it targets the highest base stat, Support builds will obviously have higher base Support thus making Curse and Override on par, and then we go onto other builds that have higher base Str/Dex/Tech.

It's not even a full debuff like Smoke, Malf or Intimidate since it's just a core thus shouldn't be powerful. And Override can be even better than any sort of debuff; no EP cost, if one abuses a stat then debuff can be powerful, targets highest skill thus in your advantage in one way or another. And no, cores are one-time only so you cannot abuse them.
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
2/18/2013 12:32:11   
Dual Thrusters
Member

This is the same thing as saying smoke should be unblockable -_-. For all debuffs you do a strike then the effect takes over
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 12
2/18/2013 15:20:35   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

It's not even a full debuff like Smoke, Malf or Intimidate since it's just a core thus shouldn't be powerful. And Override can be even better than any sort of debuff; no EP cost, if one abuses a stat then debuff can be powerful, targets highest skill thus in your advantage in one way or another. And no, cores are one-time only so you cannot abuse them.

thats what i have been saying before omega even released, cores shouldn't have a agme changing effect, but too bad that this is not whats happening with the current cores.
there should be 2 options to buff it:
-the % stay as it is now but you can use it multiple times.
-increase its % but it remains as a one time use.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
2/18/2013 15:56:56   
Lycan.
Member

Omega override has nothing on the new cores, as time goes on cores will be getting better and better so people actually buy the 10k var package and var has a better advantage.
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2/18/2013 16:26:19   
Ranloth
Banned


 Or option 3 of leaving it as it is.. Why increase % if it's not a full debuff? It's a core hence one-time only. In the same way, why is Energy Shot much weaker than EMP or Atom Smasher (EMP in terms of unblockable and Atom in terms of using Str to boost it)? Shouldn't it be more powerful due to being a one-time use core? No, it should be weaker than actual skill but yet versatile at the same time which it is.

So your option of more than once per battle is already out and % is fine because it can affect 4 stats, not just ONE like Curse. You cannot compare the power of Curse to Override if Override can lower other stats. There has to be a cost for such effect and the cost is.. 5% lower debuff (25% for Curse, 20% for Omega weapons). So for the effect of lowering 4 stats, you have 5% less than focused debuff. *

* If build focuses on Support then you'll always lower Support due to players having higher base Support so minimally weaker than Curse. But this effect works on Str, Dex and Tech which, as I said, is more versatile and more powerful in the way it works (not necessarily the %).

If you REALLY want stronger debuff, rely on Intimidate/Smoke/Malfunction. Each class but TLMs have either one of them and with Override, you can get a decent combo (double debuff to the same stat or lowering defence and offence (Str/Support + Dex/Tech).
AQ Epic  Post #: 15
2/18/2013 16:36:00   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

As it is, it's nearly useless
I just use it instead of strike, as using a turn just for it would be a waste

And as time goes on, yes, it should be overshadowed, but certainly not a week after it's release, and also certainly not when it's a phase weapon, and double certainly not by THIS much
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2/18/2013 20:22:33   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I actually suggested that omega override included t he effects of stat mods in its calculations, when both targeting and decreasing the higher stat based off of the stat mods as well as the base amount.
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2/19/2013 1:11:17   
Giras Wolfe
Member

Oh please, you can practically use smokescreen or intimidate for no energy with your sword. It doesn't need any extra effect than that.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
2/19/2013 3:40:04   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@trans it's a one time use core, so it is not gonna hurt if the % is raised by a bit, it is just like a weaker version of the curse skill core, i know it can debuff any of the 4 stats but you can't choose which, if someone uses a anti build with delta weapons atleast they can rely on the curse core more than the omega override core, if you used a anti strength build and you meet a opponent with a dex, tech or support abuse build, you wouldn't have a choice but to use the core to debuff one of their highest stat just for 2-3 points, it is just like the curse core since it can only help you if you encounter a opponent with a certain build.

quote:

Oh please, you can practically use smokescreen or intimidate for no energy with your sword. It doesn't need any extra effect than that.

its not really smoke screen or intimidate if the debuff amount is lower than that of a lvl 1 smoke or intimidate, plus it can only be used once, other cores can only be used once too, but atleast they are more reliable.

the core is extremely balanced compared to the other promo cores, i am happy with it, but i think it needs to be on par with the promo cores, especially when it is a phase weapon, and with the fact that is is still available, it wouldn't stop people from buying new promos if they but it just by a bit.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 2/19/2013 3:44:46 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
2/19/2013 5:01:51   
Ranloth
Banned


 Then if Override is to get a buff, Curse must also get one. Why should Override be stronger + target 4 stats whilst Curse can only get one and is weaker on top of it? Don't touch what isn't broken. Improving something further and further so it's perfect will only ruin it. You still surprise me that 5% less to pay for effect of targetting 4 stats is too much and that it should be buffed. Get your own debuff in form of class-specific one, unless you're a TLM then be happy there's Override now.
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2/19/2013 5:05:16   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above yeah, curse should get a buff too, omega override and curse are the 2 most useless promo cores ever, even if you are able to use it properly, it still is not on par with other promo cores and even the cores that are in-game. also I'm changing to a TLM very soon.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 21
2/19/2013 5:45:15   
Ranloth
Banned


 I'm against both buffs. They aren't useless because you still strike (100% damage) and apply effect on top of it. It's not a full debuff nor never will be. If you want stronger, use your class' one. Also you realise that as the level cap will raise, so will amount of stats thus making these cores stronger and stronger? That's how % based skills work. At some point, you'll request a nerf because 20% is too much.
AQ Epic  Post #: 22
2/19/2013 6:09:25   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above it is necessary for it to get stronger with the increase of each level, like you said that with each level you gain more stats, so if it doesn't get stronger, it would be considered completely useless, plus buffing it by 3% couldn't hurt, even the 8% nerf on beserker didn't even make much of a difference, buffing it by 3% would just take away a few more stat points(2-4) it wouldn't have a game changing effect.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 23
2/19/2013 6:24:48   
Remorse
Member

This skill core is perfectly fine,

It's strength is what Newer skill core should be based off,


Rather then them constantly adding new skill cores which are stronger then the next.... *cough*azreal*cough*
Epic  Post #: 24
2/19/2013 6:32:21   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above well you can't blame them, that's the only way that can make people buy promos. its not OP, just overly useful.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 2/19/2013 6:52:48 >
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