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2/19/2013 2:51:26   
annexguy
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 This is a very over powered weapon. And everyone should know why. Its active core forces the oppenent strike you. this basicaly wastes your turn. If your opponent knows that they will lose unless they get a crit or something all they need to do is use that core and they win. I think the damage should be 50% or less than normal damage. OR it does 0 damage each time but still makes the opponent strike you. I have never won a battle against someone with this weapon. Debuff PLEASE.
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2/19/2013 3:04:11   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

Debuff PLEASE

You mean a nerf?
Epic  Post #: 2
2/19/2013 3:16:29   
Little Joseph
Member
 

 Personally, I have won every game that has been used against me.
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2/19/2013 3:19:49   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@annexguy then you must lack strategy or don't have a very good build, i have won some and lost some to people with the new promo, so it is fair, it is just devastating to certain stat abusers like support abusers or caster mages, they abused stat in the first place so they might as well deal with it.

quote:

I think the damage should be 50% or less than normal damage. OR it does 0 damage each time but still makes the opponent strike you. I have never won a battle against someone with this weapon. Debuff PLEASE.

no not gonna happen, its not like the skill makes you literally miss a turn, it just made the choice for you, you still get to damage the person who used the skill core.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 2/19/2013 3:21:45 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 4
2/19/2013 4:49:30   
Remorse
Member

I propose that instead of just striking alone,

It lets you chose between your basic attacks (gun, aux, robot strike and of coarse basic strike)
OR not attacking at all if you skip the turn.



However you cannot use any skills or skill cores when effected.


This means that it won't be so devastating against those with builds that don't use STR and at the same time it won't be as OP in the hands of a STR abuser.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/19/2013 4:51:10 >
Epic  Post #: 5
2/19/2013 5:00:00   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above eh no, it should only let you choose between block-able attacks, which is either strike or a robot's block-able attack. the core would be sort of useless if you are able to pick unblock-ables.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
2/19/2013 5:38:46   
Remorse
Member

^ Not in the slightest.

If it did 0 damage, AND any unblockable attack it would still be useful. ( Proving a point, not what I want it nerfed to)



WHY?

Because it can give you a premature rage, it can stall a players heal, it can give you enough energy in reroute which may of been prevented with an energy drain, it can save your partner from being focused in 2v2 and 2v1, it can stop caster builds from suing their spells with rage, it can make a player use rage on an otherwise less powerful attack, it can make you last one turn longer against those with powerful ulties such as massacre, it can make your opponent waste a turn of their debuff by using the wrong damage style, you can use it to avoid being debuffed turn one, you can use it to avoid being energy drained, you can use it to stop someone drain your rage....


An do of coarse the only use you think it has, make an attack blockable...

These are just the first of its MANY uses that comes to mind,


Plus almost all of the uses I suggested above would still be in effect even if you could choose between any of the basic attacks (gun, aux, robot basic, and strike)



I have the gun and I know for a fact it is overpowered and abusable,


If you even have a thought for a second that the above change would make it weak, then I would lose all respect from your opinions thereafter.





< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/19/2013 5:39:39 >
Epic  Post #: 7
2/19/2013 5:59:09   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above and how is that a bad thing? it gives you alot of build options with just one core, people can abuse cores in anyway and there is no stopping them, before people used to say that platinum's pride is OP, but now? generator is even better, i have fought countless opponents with the azrael's sidearm and zooka, still i managed to defeat them as many times as they defeated me.

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it can save your partner from being focused in 2v2 and 2v1

how is that OP? it is called strategy, since if you use it at the incorrect time, it would make no difference.

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it can stop caster builds from suing their spells with rage

casters are already powerful with their ridiculous damage on plasma bolt, it is fair if this happens since when they rage they deal over 50 damage with their plasmabolt. OP vs OP=fair battle

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it can make a player use rage on an otherwise less powerful attack

still it depends on who you battle and when you think that player would rage, its strategy.

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it can make you last one turn longer against those with powerful ulties such as massacre,

again how is that a bad thing? massacre builds is devastating even without the effects of smoke or malfunction, it is using strategy to save your life.

if you are undefeated since the day you bought the promo then it would be considered OP.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
2/19/2013 6:19:03   
Remorse
Member

When I say it is oped,

It's not because of the individual uses it can have,


Its because the high overall total of uses, and the fact and can be abused with STR builds.



All I ask is a change to not be restricting to strike alone,


Me pointing out its many uses was for the reason of explaining why the change would not make it "useless".




Never Did I say its individual uses are OP,

I wish you would stop using other people's quotes in a incorrect way all the time.



You exampling to me the how it's uses are not OP, was not only a complete waste of time, it also shows you didn't correctly read or interperate my original post.




< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/19/2013 6:20:44 >
Epic  Post #: 9
2/19/2013 15:27:17   
Trae
Member

i own the gun and i would not like it if it would be nerfed it might be a little OP BUT! i payed 50 us dollers for it so it should very well be a bit OP
this is just my opinion and if you disagree i respect your opinion as well. also if u want proof i own the gun my username is TraeCrae
Epic  Post #: 10
2/20/2013 11:54:49   
sunis
Member

lol

I payed money for this skill of that weapon.

Stop to cry here, just go to buy for yourself one and use it.

Post #: 11
2/20/2013 13:12:11   
Remorse
Member

the game is no longer pay to win,

I pay and I except it to give me NO advanatge what so ever.


I prefer balance between every player then this can be a proper PvP.


Epic  Post #: 12
2/20/2013 13:22:12   
Mother1
Member

Another thing we can agree on remorse. Omega was created by the staff so everyone would be on equal footing and not have any unfair advantages over someone else in game. Varium is for a short cut to get things faster it doesn't mean that since you buy the stuff you must be better then everyone else.
Epic  Post #: 13
2/20/2013 19:51:23   
Trae
Member

i agree with it being mostly equal but as i said before it should be a slight boost if you pay 50 us dollars
Epic  Post #: 14
2/20/2013 21:06:25   
Promaster
Member

^
Nobody forced you to pay 50 dollars for the weapons. You decided to buy it yourself. Varium is only a shortcut to getting items/weapons etc. F2P players can get the weapons next year for credits anyway, and so being able to get the azreal gun and aux this year is already the "slight boost" that the devs have given to paying players.

And i agree with remorse on being able to choose the basic attacks. This allows the user of the azreal gun to actually have to think about when to use the active core at the right moment in the fight and thus, more strategy.
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
2/20/2013 21:40:15   
Cursed Darkness
Member

the force strike has been moved 2 the auxiliary weapon now. and the Auxiliary's core has been moved 2 the gun.
Epic  Post #: 16
2/20/2013 23:30:50   
CodexC
Member

I have to agree that it is a rather powerful core. And if used correctly can be instrumental in winning games. If the core is used after an Intimidate for example it's effect can be multiplied. I am a little weary of Omega because these cores have replaced enchancements and are exclusive to varium users like myself. Wasn't the point of Omega to remove that gap? Just some food for thought....
Epic  Post #: 17
2/21/2013 5:58:15   
RageSoul
Member

quote:

the force strike has been moved 2 the auxiliary weapon now. and the Auxiliary's core has been moved 2 the gun.

It's still the same , Azrael's Will is quite easy to abuse but also quite more effective than the rest of the cores .

@ON TOPIC :

It's ( Azrael's Will ) interesting yet OPed in terms of it being too useful in most situations , so a nerf is needed .
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
2/21/2013 9:23:13   
Trae
Member

@promaster
i know very well that nobody made me buy it however i did agree by my own choice to buy weapons with the skill cores they said they'd have if they changed it heres what i propose they take back the weapons and var and give you back the 10000 battle on points and with the points you could chose to buy the nerfed edition of the gun / aux or save it for another promo
Epic  Post #: 19
2/21/2013 9:47:45   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

You have seriously never won a game against someone with this weapon? Sounds to me like you're exxagerating or need a new build.

Post #: 20
2/21/2013 11:09:52   
EpicIsEpic
Member

well i won most of the times because str abusing mercs with low dex are blocked pretty many times. On topic this is what i think happened... People stopped buying varium so they had to make a reason why people shuld buy varium e.g. a very very OP skill core witch is only avaivable for 50$ payers wich makes it unfair but did you really think that varium would only be a shortcut?
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