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3/23/2013 17:18:33

Mother1
Member

Could you please give me a VALID reason why the gamma bot is OP.

I have read several of your posts and none of them hold a valid reason why the Gamma bot is OP. All I am seeing from your posts is that since the infernal Android got nerfed the Gamma bot is now OP. Then you went on to say that the Gamma bot was always OP yet I have never seen a complaint about this bot being OP after it got it's first nerf before I came. So which is it? The gamma bot was always OP, or because of the nerf of the infernal android now the gamma bot is OP. Cause with the OP and the other post you contradicted yourself.

quote:

I want them to be equal powerwise, that means that all robotd have its advantages and at the same time having some downsides, however, this isnt the case here with gamma bot. Because it has none.

There is a downside to using this bot. All the other effect attacks with every other bot can't be blocked or deflected. However with the gamma bot the laser is deflectable in exchange for it's power and before they made the laser's deflectable it was blockable. So there are your downsides.

Epic	Post #: 26

3/23/2013 17:27:45

superbat67
Member

lol not supported. . when something op gets nerfed the bot thats second powerful is op when its not even op and other bots are even stronger like the omega yetis?. the person who made this thread probably got unlucky with gamma bot encounters. IA deserved that nerf. now u want to nerf something that isnt op? this is just for personal needs for some people who probably abused IA and now its weak so u want to take gamma bot a balance bot with it? just wow.

< Message edited by superbat67 -- 3/23/2013 18:09:44 >

Post #: 27

3/23/2013 17:42:58

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

Mother1

quote:

I have read several of your posts and none of them hold a valid reason why the Gamma bot is OP.

Pardon me?
Here you go:

quote:

- Repeatable special effect which deals dmg and does not rely on the opponent (Bio Borg can repeat it, but its specials relies on the opponent)
- Special always deals 100% dmg
- Only a 3 turn cooldown
- No warm-up
- Does not require a certain thing to make the special effective (except technology/focus lvl ofcourse) like bio borg and the yetis do.

First post i made..

And here:

quote:

What makes this bot OP is the diversity it has without any kind of penalty/restrictions/downside.
This bot has things that no other item is close to (first IA came close but now its nerfed..).
Which i already stated in my topic post.

So....you dont got your glasses on or..?

quote:

There is a downside to using this bot. All the other effect attacks with every other bot can't be blocked or deflected. However with the gamma bot the laser is deflectable in exchange for it's power and before they made the laser's deflectable it was blockable. So there are your downsides.

Stating something is a downside which has already been fixed isnt particularly valid is it?
And the fact that other specials are unblockable/undeflectble are also not particularly good since gammas special deals 100% while others deal less then this.
Highest difference is 15%, but since those specials can only be used once it isnt a downside within the least.

@Superbat

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when something that was op gets nerfed and then the only thing that is good and people are using alot is op.

Uhmm what?

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IA deserved that nerf.

Have I said otherwise? Nope

quote:

this is just for personal needs for some people who probably abused IA and now its weak u want to take gamma bot a balance bot with it?

I have never used IA ever since i got the Yetis which makes this statement false within the least.

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some people need to get over it and move on with ur life.

What has that to do with nerfing gamma bot?

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/23/2013 17:46:08 >

Epic	Post #: 28

3/23/2013 17:53:42

superbat67
Member

blitzex, reread my post, sorry for the errors. What i meant when i said that IA deserved op while gamma bot is pretty balanced and not op in the slightest. gamma bot is probably the most balanced bot in the game because the assault bots have less damage but they still have a pretty useful special while the omega yetis have a very useful special ability and more damage. gamma does not have have special abilities like the yetis and the past IA's ability that became stronger ever turn. Gamma bot is a simple and balanced bot. can u give me an example of how gamma bot is op. Techmages and cyberhunters can probably make gamma bot be extremely strong (not op) with a 5 focus build,malf and some high tech.

< Message edited by superbat67 -- 3/23/2013 18:04:55 >

Post #: 29

3/23/2013 18:16:18

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

^ Nope, this robot goes with all focus builds, no matter what class or build.
It goes with everything because it has both dmg types.
This is one of the things that makes it OP, other reasons what makes it OP are already mentioned multiple times.
I see no need to repeat them once again.

Epic	Post #: 30

3/23/2013 22:16:37

Nub Apocalypse
Member

So after you nerf Gamma Bot, Omega Yeti becomes OP, so you nerf that, and Infernal Android becomes OP, and soon you get a 1 damage bot which is still "OP".

Post #: 31

3/23/2013 22:25:01

King FrostLich
Member

This Gamma Bot vs IA discussion is irrelevant. How about we all wait for the next update of the new ballistic bunny bot and see what it does first?

Epic	Post #: 32

3/24/2013 0:50:08

Stabilis
Member

I sadly decline your offer with the reasoning being that in proportion, to the Infernal Android, the Gamma Bot "appears" stronger.

Epic

Post #: 33

3/24/2013 1:30:07

Hard boy
Member

NERF GAMMA BOT????????????????????????????????????????????????????

you wanna nerf gamma bot? fine but you have to take all yetis back to 12 damage alright? and not increase with omega weps...

like seriously you have a 15 dmg bot with a chomp thats unblockable, undeflectable......... and you're talking to us about gamma being Op??

yeah, I dont give a flying dorito that infernal is unusable now (thats if it is...), its sellable + available to the "public", you didnt need to pay for it real cash..

Epic	Post #: 34

3/24/2013 3:42:29

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

gammabot does deserve a small nerf, the damage should be scaled down to 14 or its' special should have a 4 turn cooldown instead of 3

quote:

you wanna nerf gamma bot? fine but you have to take all yetis back to 12 damage alright? and not increase with omega weps...

like seriously you have a 15 dmg bot with a chomp thats unblockable, undeflectable......... and you're talking to us about gamma being Op??

remember the yeti special deals less damage than the normal attack

AQW

Epic

Post #: 35

3/24/2013 3:48:54

Hard boy
Member

Compared to the gamma, gamma does 100% of 14 dmg, deflectable energy attack right? thats total of 14 dmg
Yeti does 85% of 15 dmg energy/physical (depends on which yeti) which makes a total of roughly 13 dmg
thats 1 less dmg than gamma (in addition to it not being blocked neither deflected, which only 1 less dmg penalty compared to gamma) I say thats pretty much a Killer deal to be able to guarantee being able to beat the guy on rage, while with gamma ur just worried the bot gets deflected or blocked(if using phys)

Epic	Post #: 36

3/24/2013 3:53:54

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above remember yeti special is only usable once per battle and it has the same type of damage as its' normal attack, gammabot can use both types of attacks over and over again, therefore giving the player lots of flexibility.

AQW

Epic

Post #: 37

3/24/2013 4:04:25

Thesoulweaver
Member

Agreed. We must wait for the bunny bot to come and then restart this discussion.

Who knows, maybe that bot's power will touch the sky.

AQW

Post #: 38

3/24/2013 4:11:43

Hard boy
Member

@trizz

many people keep talking about the gamma bot having both elements damage, but a matter of fact is that, ur not gonna use both elements against 1 enemy, ur just gonna use the best suited, he got high tech use physical always, high dex use energy always..,
although yeti special might be useful once per battle, A smart player will not waste the turn to remove the aux and gun of someone with little str and supp (5 focus), while if ur facing a str or supp abuse, he might as well use the special, but then the argument is invalid since str and supp abusers tend to have 0-1 focus (there is no comparison anymore).

Epic	Post #: 39

3/24/2013 4:15:07

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above that's the thing about gammabot, it gives too much flexibility, your opponent can raise a dex shield and then you just use the energy attack of the gammabot, it is easy to defend against the yetis because they only have 1 damage type for 2 skills.

AQW

Epic

Post #: 40

3/24/2013 4:22:45

Hard boy
Member

But still how is it Op, I dont get it

no one, and i mean no one shields unless they got smoked or malfunctioned and lets face it half the population has azrael weps to negate that shield, and if they dont, thats still an extra rage for you WHICH YOU CAN USE ON UR UNBLOCKABLE BOT?

Epic	Post #: 41

3/24/2013 4:24:48

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above never said it was OP, just powerful
i think you have not being in one of those situations since you are a gammabot user yourself.

AQW

Epic

Post #: 42

3/24/2013 9:09:18

redclaw
Member

not supported.... i dont think the gamma bot is op... doesn't do outrageously high damage...... its special is basically same as its normal, the only difference being tht its an energy version, no increase in damage..... there are risks involved in using this bot as one can be deflected and the other can be blocked.... a perfectly good and balanced bot whch is good for attacking and well worth its price...

Only problem it had was tht the special could be used right after the normanl attack and tht has been changed and since then gamma bot has been one of the most well balanced things in this game...

AQW

Epic

Post #: 43

3/24/2013 9:33:32

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

you didnt need to pay for it real cash..

Another person that judges balance on somethings price..
Again, this game is all about balance, no robot or weapon should be better then something else.

If so, then golden yeti should be the best of this game since it not only took a 5-key promo to even have a chance on it, but also took alot of spare time from you to actually get it.
So, stop whining about its price, that price you paid for it is nothing compared to what Golden Yeti has costs to everyone who has it.

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its special is basically same as its normal, the only difference being tht its an energy version, no increase in damage..... there are risks involved in using this bot as one can be deflected and the other can be blocked....

This is a flaw statement since alot of things can be blocked/deflected.
Some specials cannot be blocked/deflected, but at the same time those moves dont deal 100%, while gamma does.
This makes a difference of 15% on max, which isnt much at all, since those specials can only be used once while gamma's is repeatble every single time.

quote:

WHICH YOU CAN USE ON UR UNBLOCKABLE BOT?

And only deals 65% damage which makes this statement also flawed since the maximum delfect change isnt higher then 30% and can only be used once, while gamma can repeat it over and over.

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ur not gonna use both elements against 1 enemy, ur just gonna use the best suited

False, if i had this robot, it would be perfect again CHs and TLMs.
Because i would use its special against TLMs without rage so it deals more then the normal attack.
And when i rage i would use the normal attackl, because rage attacks ignore passive armors.
Same counts for chs but then the other way around.

quote:

Agreed. We must wait for the bunny bot to come and then restart this discussion.

So just leave this robot OP forever, because there might come something worse?
Wow...just wow

Epic	Post #: 44

3/24/2013 9:37:17

Ranloth
Banned

Balance is universal. If Gamma Bot was OPed before but IA was even more OP, why wasn't Gamma AND IA nerfed at the same time then? Oh wait, Gamma isn't OP. Next up, Gamma nerfed and Yeti is game breaking. After that, Assault will be out of hand because special is OPed (no damage!!1!eleven!), and endless cycle of pointless nerfs.

If IA was hindering OPness of the Gamma Bot (lol) then that's hilarious. Bots were already rebalanced once in Delta and brought on par, I believe it was even prior to IA so it's impossible that Gamma Bot was NOT OP'ed prior to IA and now after IA was nerfed, it's OP'ed for some reason.

Someone can't abuse and gotta nerf something he can't get. Lovely bias.

Epic

Post #: 45

3/24/2013 9:56:52

DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

blitzex is right 100 % .
y is gamma able to do his very similar special as much as the player want where as IA can do it only once? that 30 % difference ? people don't even use it at it's max .

Post #: 46

3/24/2013 9:57:16

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

Someone can't abuse and gotta nerf something he can't get.

I can see you have no idea what kind of player i am, i have never used an OP build in my life (only once).
When str mercs were OP, i was a BH, when sup builds were OP, i was a BM, only once due to the tournament because i needed fast kills (so i went sup ch).
So stop judging me as a player when you have no idea how i am. I even remember you have seen me as a focus BM during the Str OPness in Omega, which already proves my point i was never an abuser.

quote:

Next up, Gamma nerfed and Yeti is game breaking. After that, Assault will be out of hand because special is OPed (no damage!!1!eleven!)

Trying to be funny there?

quote:

Bots were already rebalanced once in Delta and brought on par

Yeah the rebalancing in delta was always sooo good, there never was even 1 op thing in delta -.-
Balance has never been in Delta and you know that as good as me.

When they did a ''rebalancing'' they only made things worse then it already was *kuch* str and focus bms *kuch*

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/24/2013 9:59:28 >

Epic	Post #: 47

3/24/2013 10:04:33

zion
Member

Games work when there are standards... If every other bot has a one-shot special, so should Gamma bot. I think the special of Gamma Bot should be an energy shot that is usable from the start of the match and has set 115% power.

AQW

Epic

Post #: 48

3/24/2013 10:05:14

Ranloth
Banned

Bots were rebalanced, no one mentions other stuff. Every single Bot was dealt with and there weren't any issues ever since. No, I wasn't trying to be funny but serious; IA gets nerfed, you demand Gamma nerf and players will want more nerfs because you want something. Over and over.

How come Gamma Bot was NOT OP'ed prior to the release of IA, players claimed that Gamma is UP'ed thanks to IA's OP'ness at the time and now Gamma is OP'ed? If it wasn't prior to the release of IA, why is it now? No, enhancements aren't an answer since Varium players could abuse it with Gamma and now no one can. Lower Res scaling? Yeah, it affected and affects IA as well.

If Gamma wasn't OP prior to the release of IA and after it, the only reason you want the nerf is because you seem to think IA is duplicate (but better) of Gamma Bot and now it isn't, hence why Gamma should become a duplicate of IA because you cannot spam IA's special more than once. So your payback for the nerf is to nerf Gamma. Really not wanting to nerf everything or get IA back to being OP, either of the changes (IA buff or Gamma nerf) will result in one thing - IA being OP'ed again, just like you'd want it.

Lastly, why is it such a problem for you if we don't agree? You seem to pick everyone's opinions (not facts, you cannot prove an opinion wrong but disagree at most), and convince them that you're right and they are wrong? If players don't support it nor Devs see it as necessary (if it was OP'ed then it'd have been dealt with in this release as well), then obviously the change will not happen only because 1 players wants it as opposed to majority of ED community; the one which isn't bias, of course.

Epic

Post #: 49

3/24/2013 10:21:07

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

If Gamma wasn't OP prior to the release of IA and after it, the only reason you want the nerf is because you seem to think IA is duplicate (but better) of Gamma Bot and now it isn't, hence why Gamma should become a duplicate of IA because you cannot spam IA's special more than once. So your payback for the nerf is to nerf Gamma. Really not wanting to nerf everything or get IA back to being OP, either of the changes (IA buff or Gamma nerf) will result in one thing - IA being OP'ed again, just like you'd want it.

Once again you accuse me of something i have never done.
Well done trans, well done.... if you have nothing usefull to add in this balance issue dont bother replying at all.

quote:

How come Gamma Bot was NOT OP'ed prior to the release of IA, players claimed that Gamma is UP'ed thanks to IA's OP'ness at the time and now Gamma is OP'ed? If it wasn't prior to the release of IA, why is it now? No, enhancements aren't an answer since Varium players could abuse it with Gamma and now no one can. Lower Res scaling? Yeah, it affected and affects IA as well.

You're actually close to see the problem, only you do not link these things correctly.
Lemme explain it for ya.

Before IA has been released, the Resistance scaling was higher then its Defence scaling, which makes the special far less effective then it is nowaways which would make it look less OP (while it still was since it still had all the advantages it has now).
Then, IA came, which outcasted gamma tremendisly, which took the eyes from the players off of Gamma's OPness, thats why nobody complained about this robot (i guess, i werent there yet to complain so this is just an assumption).

Now, Omega came, resistance has been brought on par with defence, which made gamma bot more OP.
But, at the start of this change, no one used focus build due to it being bad with all these abuse builds, which took the eyes off of Gamma.
Then, balance was restored (well actually been here for the first time but i will leave it how it is for now), but IA was still more Op then gamma, so gamma's OPness wasnt noticed because everyone was using IA.

Lastly, IA got nerfed, taking all the eyes off of this robot, everyone who has gamma bot is using it once again, which pretty much proves my point.
Gamma bot is now the best once again, it wasnt noticed because there were always other issues with balance that were worse then this bot.

You get it now trans or?

Epic	Post #: 50

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