Home  | Login  | Register  | Help  | Play 

RE: Gamma Bot Nerf

  		Logged in as: Guest
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Artix Entertainment Games] >> [EpicDuel] >> EpicDuel Balance >> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf
Page 3 of 6«<12345>»
Forum Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
3/24/2013 10:28:28   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

quote:

How come Gamma Bot was NOT OP'ed prior to the release of IA

it was OP'ed before the release but no one gonna complain about something coming second in OPness after IA .
before release IA was toooooooooooooooooooooo OP and also gamma but there were big difference , IA was way more op . now it got nerfed so the op bot nw is gamma .
seriously y gamma can do the special endless of times ?
Post #: 51
3/24/2013 10:28:37   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

Lastly, IA got nerfed, taking all the eyes off of this robot, everyone who has gamma bot is using it once again, which pretty much proves my point.

Yes. Because once something isn't abuseable anymore then people switch to something that fits their build. Is that a problem? It depends which one suits players more; if fights are bound to be long, obviously Gamma could be better unless you have a plan on when to use IA without prolonging battles too long. Number of players using something =/= something is UP or OP. Assimilation was OPed (stil somewhat is, in my opinion) yet not everyone is abusing it. Is that the right grounds to say Assimilation is OP'ed - because some players do use it - or is it not OP'ed - because not everyone use it?
quote:

Gamma bot is now the best once again, it wasnt noticed because there were always other issues with balance that were worse then this bot.

No. Just no. Balance is universal. One item cannot hinder OPness of another, not at least in the case of Bots which there isn't that many thus much easier to balance. Bots were already rebalanced once since it wasn't that hard, you claim that balance was crap so the rebalancing was so poor that IA was abused, now isn't thus right claim for a nerf to Gamma - because of poor balance (and the fact you cannot abuse). There WERE players using Gamma Bot even when IA was OP. Why? Because not everyone could stall the battle for so long to get the most out of IA. Whether it was in Delta or now, in Omega. Does that mean players weren't using Gamma Bot enough to show its true colours (of so called OP'ness)? Just no.
AQ Epic  Post #: 52
3/24/2013 10:40:47   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

quote:

No. Just no. Balance is universal. One item cannot hinder OPness of another

Well , not in a direct way.
people were using IA more then gamma bot because it was better . so now after the release gamma is back on the play and it showed itself with the opness, i will say it again : y IA can use it special once but gamma can do it as much as u like ? they are very alike, due to the 30% ? well that is not a gd reason for a such difference between the two bots . pyro,yeti,IA, all of those can do the special once azreal probably can do it multiple times but thats okay and for the borg,not sure .
plus gamma depends on the player not the opponent .
Post #: 53
3/24/2013 11:10:06   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

No. Just no. Balance is universal. One item cannot hinder OPness of another

This.
You repeat it every single time without actually seeing whats wrong with this.
It doesnt hinder the OPness, I have never said that. I say that people dont complain about it because something is more OP then gamma, which makes complaining about gamma useless when theres something far worse then it because people will then say: ''First nerf IA then go on about Gamma''.

Like already happened in this thread by people saying ''Just wait for the bunny borg, then go on about gamma''.

quote:

Assimilation was OPed (stil somewhat is, in my opinion) yet not everyone is abusing it. Is that the right grounds to say Assimilation is OP'ed - because some players do use it - or is it not OP'ed - because not everyone use it?

Not much people did because assimilation didnt make up for TMs poor skill tree.
The move was OP, but the class itself not which didnt make it much abusable
Epic  Post #: 54
3/24/2013 11:14:41   
redclaw
Member

people need to know the difference between something being OPed and being powerful....... the gamma bot aint op... have u ever lost a match because the guy had a gamma bot? i highly doubt it..... just cause the other cores of some bots are one time use only u wants this one to be the same? well then let me tell u this....

the pyro fly (or wht ever its called) has a one time special core cause if used more than once it will take away all ur skills...

the yeti has a one time special cause ppl will abuse the special and make it in sch a way tht u can never use ur ranged weps...

IA well u knw the reason for tht and hence we all found it op

But the gamma bots special isn't an OP move.... it just gives an advantage of using Phy or Energy attacks, which is how it was introduced....


and i honestly dont get why u still think the special should be one time only... tht would make it useless... the bot loses its purpose and becomes sort of like the IA bot, infact if it were a one time move the IA bot would be stronger, thus ruining it....

AQW Epic  Post #: 55
3/24/2013 11:18:16   
Ranloth
Banned


 ^
He wants Gamma Bot to be like IA, and in that way, IA will end up being superior because it has damage raising Special.
AQ Epic  Post #: 56
3/24/2013 11:28:10   
redclaw
Member

@zeph

if u find it OP then u mind tellin me some instances where u lost because of the gamma bot being OP?
AQW Epic  Post #: 57
3/24/2013 12:06:50   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

He wants Gamma Bot to be like IA, and in that way,

Ok trans seriously, you need glasses.
I have never said i want it to be like IA in any kind of way.

Stop judging me on this way because you are now just annoying me and anyone else here.
You give us all but flawed statements that all redirect to me abusing IA which i have never done.

If you have nothing usefull to add in this balance issue just dont bother replying at all.

@Redclaw

I have never said that all robots should have a special that can be repeated any time.
I only want gammas special to be a bit weaker then it is now, is that so much to ask for?
It will still be repeatable and have all the advantages it already has.

And yes, i have lost many times because of Gamma, because whatever kind of build i use, it always has its diversity.
It has so much advantages yet no penaltys/restrictions/downsides that you cannot prevent it from doing serious damage.
Even a shield doesnt work against it since it has Psysical and Energy damage, which makes this robot superior to everything else in this game.

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/24/2013 12:08:19 >
Epic  Post #: 58
3/24/2013 12:22:43   
Sageofpeace
Member

you could just give gamma bot 80 damage but 40% crt chance

< Message edited by Sageofpeace -- 3/24/2013 12:24:29 >
Post #: 59
3/24/2013 12:37:35   
Warmaker04
Member
 
You just cant nerf the energy attack of gamma bot if you dont nerf the psy attack.

IA Is still OP even with the 20 nerfs. even if they make it cool down 6, warming up 7 etc It still being OP.
IA Is like gamma bot,

IA HAVE PSY ATTACK, Gamma bot have psy attack, Gamma haves energy attack, but IA have energy attack Not repeatable but every turn high damage. And there arent huge ammount of gamma users as there are IA users.

Pretty fair Zeph. Pretty Fair. Gamma bot is not op. If your special is used what? Use your normal psy attack of course!
You wont have another special but use the psy attack. Infernal Impaler. Why not? The opponent have very high dex and little tech?
Wait at high turn and rage bot special.

When i VS gamma user i win at him
I used 1 time special and 4 times psy normal attack
He used 1 time psy attack and 4 times special ( energy attack )

This bot was very expensive. 2200 varium costs even more than the infernal bot ( in 4x varium ) and more than the yeti.
The bots are pretty fair, nerfs / buffs not needed.

The fact * YOU WANT * To nerf a certain bots to make your self OP With the yeti bot or what ever u have, Cause Gamma is very old bot, That wont happen.

The admins will nerf it when it is REALLY big problem or REALLY GIving too little power.

Or if after that i posted, u think the gamma is still OPer than IA then u probably have * BAD * build.

Ikr that everyone wants updates to be like what he wants but this cant happen. Nobody will update or do something only for 1 person.


AQW Epic  Post #: 60
3/24/2013 12:49:10   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

The admins will nerf it when it is REALLY big problem or REALLY GIving too little power.

^ This. What one perceives as OP, doesn't mean it really is. Gamma lacks special effect thus deals 100% damage and doesn't have once-per-battle restriction. If you want a buff then bring IA's damage to that of Gamma's and leave it alone. 2 damage is always a bonus. Nerfing Gamma will result in the same thing as it was prior to the nerf, IA will dominate. And we'll have 2 duplicate Bots for no reason.

I forgot to say, Bots aren't essential to have as much as say weapons or Armor is. They help, yes, but aren't a must. And neither are cores, but they are helpful.
AQ Epic  Post #: 61
3/24/2013 12:50:29   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

You just cant nerf the energy attack of gamma bot if you dont nerf the psy attack.

.-. they did this to IA, why is Gamma bot an exception?

quote:

IA Is still OP even with the 20 nerfs. even if they make it cool down 6, warming up 7 etc It still being OP.
IA Is like gamma bot,

Have you even tried this robot after the last nerf? NO?
Then you do not know how useless it has became.

quote:

IA HAVE PSY ATTACK, Gamma bot have psy attack, Gamma haves energy attack, but IA have energy attack Not repeatable but every turn high damage. And there arent huge ammount of gamma users as there are IA users.

First of all, even if it deals 130% damage, gamma deals 200% when used twice which makes this flawed.
And keep in mind that Gamma has 2 more damage then IA which also makes his Psysical attack stronger then IA's.
There may be less gamma users, only due to it being Rare for quite some time.
If I had this robot, i would have used it forever, because its OP of its diversity and it looks amazing.

quote:

This bot was very expensive. 2200 varium costs even more than the infernal bot ( in 4x varium ) and more than the yeti.
The bots are pretty fair, nerfs / buffs not needed.

So...?
Because it was expensive it should just outcast every bot in the whole game, forever?

Golden yeti has costed the owners way more then gamma bot, which even makes this a flawed statement.

quote:

The fact * YOU WANT * To nerf a certain bots to make your self OP With the yeti bot or what ever u have, Cause Gamma is very old bot, That wont happen.

So because its old it should not get touched anymore?
What about all the old weapons that got buffed?

Another flawed statement.

Trans:
quote:

If you want a buff then bring IA's damage to that of Gamma's and leave it alone

I dont think IA needs a buff, it is brought down as it should have been a long time ago, never disagreed with these nerfs.

quote:

Nerfing Gamma will result in the same thing as it was prior to the nerf, IA will dominate. And we'll have 2 duplicate Bots for no reason.

Uhh how so?
The nerf i want is making the damage only 10% or 5% lower, it will still have all other advantages it already has

How will that make it the same as IA in any kind of way, please do explain me.

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/24/2013 12:54:47 >
Epic  Post #: 62
3/24/2013 12:53:53   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

Have you even tried this robot after the last nerf? NO?
Then you do not know how useless it has became.

... That's why you're quite biased. It's like me saying: "Do you own Gamma Bot? Have you ever used it? NO? Then you do not know how useful or useless it is." >_>

We cannot be right because we have our own opinion yet you're right for whatever reason. It's called an opinion for a reason. Yes, I'm repeating it over and over again.
AQ Epic  Post #: 63
3/24/2013 13:27:56   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 Zeph. You're essentially complaining about the universal applicability of the Gamma Bot, yes? Because I don't see how your complaint that the Gamma Bot's special is equal in power to its normal attack (yes, I know that you're not saying that, but that's effectively what it is) is remotely valid.

Thing is, I don't see what exactly is the problem with universal applicability. Everyone with a 5 focus build uses their robot. Is the problem with the special? It'll be better for you to consider Gamma Bot as having two alternate normal attacks, with no special, because that's what it is.
Post #: 64
3/24/2013 13:57:08   
Hard boy
Member

@blitz

"Another person that judges balance on somethings price..
Again, this game is all about balance, no robot or weapon should be better then something else."

then the cores on all the weapons should be removed, if thats the criteria you're using.

"This is a flaw statement since alot of things can be blocked/deflected.
Some specials cannot be blocked/deflected, but at the same time those moves dont deal 100%, while gamma does.
This makes a difference of 15% on max, which isnt much at all, since those specials can only be used once while gamma's is repeatble every single time." "And only deals 65% damage which makes this statement also flawed since the maximum delfect change isnt higher then 30% and can only be used once, while gamma can repeat it over and over. "

1st of all gamma deals 100% of 14 dmg = 14 dmg, yeti deals 85% on special of 15 dmg= 13dmg (thats 1 less damage than gamma in addition to no block no deflect, damage doesnt make much of a difference does it?)
and the repeatable damage argument is invalid since no battle lasts more than ahh what 12 rounds + the yeti still has the ability to dish out enourmous damage(higher than gamma) every 3 turns.

Epic  Post #: 65
3/24/2013 15:17:05   
Scyze
Member

This thread has to be one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen.

First off, Gamma Bot (GB) and the Infernal Android (IA) are very different. I do not think the GB is OP neither stronger than the IA. The IA's Special's damage increases every turn and can do a high amount of damage while the GB has the same damage range for the entire battle. Yes, you had to pay for the GB or buy it in game using Varium. It is a promotional item and should be considered useful. Just because it can use both Normal and Special attacks doesn't mean it can be considered OP.

Both could be purchased in-game but the IA had an option of using only one currency to purchase it. That should give you a hint for it not to be that strong. When you pay (quite a large amount of money) for something, you should be pleased with the outcome. You get something better than the others, a bit stronger. Artix Entertainment wants to have a free side (play games for free with good rewards/ items) and a paying side (pay to progress further or have a better edge). *These two Robots are a great example because both do Physical and Energy damages.* This is one way on how they make money and huge profits.

Making the IA the way it is makes battle a bit more strategic rather than abusing people with it.
  • Will I die next turn if I use it this turn?
  • Am I going to survive to round 12 to do a large damage?
  • Is it worth me using it this turn?
  • Should I rather heal?

    There's a reason to why its called a "Special" attack; its special in it's own way. The damage increases so it should only be used once rather than you being able to keep on using it for the whole battle. Also, if you went first, you had a high chance of beating someone with the same Robot (IA).

    I agree with you,
    quote:

    Omega is all about balance
    but do you think it really would be fair on people who have it? Just because some people had a Robot that was stronger as the battles were longer, should others also be changed along with it?
    Each Robot is special in it's own way. Stop complaining, EpicDuel is changing to make the game a better environment to play on.

    No, I do not own the Gamma Bot and I don't think its OP. If these two were the same, what would matter the most? The looks would be the top of the list.
    I am happy with the way it is. It makes battles rely on strategy more.

    quote:

    gamma deals 200%
    Erm, what about the IA? It would do a lot more if it was used twice. Use it on the first turn (80%) then what ever round. You'd do over 200% since the cool down was 4 turns.

    Scyze/ Malicious Neos

    < Message edited by Malicious Neos -- 3/24/2013 16:44:13 >
    • AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 66
    3/24/2013 21:10:58   
    Trifire
    Member
     

    		 Yeah guys, IA needs a slight buff. They waaaaaaayyyyy over shot it. Gamma is fine. Its special just converts physical to energy.
    Post #: 67
    3/24/2013 21:16:15   
    Ranloth
    Banned


    		 @Trifire
    How about no restriction when the special can be used, starts off at 100%, improves by 4% each turn (caps at 130% still) and perhaps same damage as the Gamma Bot?

    If we look at the scaling of IA right now, and compare it to the new one, it'd end up being better:
    Old / New
    85% / 100%
    90% / 104%
    95% / 108%
    100% / 112%
    105% / 116%
    110% / 120%
    115% / 124%
    120% / 128%
    125% / 130%

    So not only it'd end up better at any turn, it'd cut down the time it takes to max out its power from 9 turns to 8. Useable on 1st turn would make it good for those who *really* need to. Lastly, +2 more damage would be always a nice buff.
    AQ Epic  Post #: 68
    3/25/2013 1:17:20   
    redclaw
    Member

    		@zeph

    Well thts wierd... i haven't lost a match just because the guy had the GB.... i'm not saying tht i have never lost to a guy with tht bot im saying tht i have never lost because he had the bot.... it has never been a decider in any of my battles...

    and i totally agree with silver sky magic cause its like the gamma bot has no special... just 2 normal attacks one being phy and the othr being energy....

    oh and the gamma bot was introduced as having 2 types of attack having equal damage and hence ppl bought it... if it was changed it would kind of be a rip off to the ppl who bought it (since it was bought with varium) and so i doubt they will change it.... and before u say tht the IA bots special was changed, well.... it's special was introduced as being able to do an increased amount of damage which could stack (or something like tht) and tht it was it still is.....
    AQW Epic  Post #: 69
    3/25/2013 3:25:05   
    Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
    Banned


    		 @ Hard boy
    quote:

    then the cores on all the weapons should be removed, if thats the criteria you're using.

    All cores cost the same, why should they then be removed?

    quote:

    1st of all gamma deals 100% of 14 dmg = 14 dmg, yeti deals 85% on special of 15 dmg= 13dmg (thats 1 less damage than gamma in addition to no block no deflect, damage doesnt make much of a difference does it?)
    and the repeatable damage argument is invalid since no battle lasts more than ahh what 12 rounds + the yeti still has the ability to dish out enourmous damage(higher than gamma) every 3 turns

    I thought this discussion was about special abilities and not normal attacks which already states that Gamma has the best special of this game since it doesnt have any kind of penalty/restrictions and can be used anytime, which no other special can.

    @Malicious
    quote:

    It is a promotional item and should be considered useful. Just because it can use both Normal and Special attacks doesn't mean it can be considered OP.

    It is when it are both the damage types, so it cannot be stopped in any kind of way except reducing its damage by malfing it or you throw 2 shields on yourself..

    quote:

    When you pay (quite a large amount of money) for something, you should be pleased with the outcome. You get something better than the others, a bit stronger.

    This is a flawed statement that everyone uses these days.
    Infernal interdictor costed me alot of money, yet they nerfed it multiple times.
    Same goes with enchancements, that costed ppl way more money then any other kind of weapon, yet they removed them and gave us a worthless cheevo of 7,5k, did that sounded fair?
    Nope, total rip-off.

    quote:

    Erm, what about the IA? It would do a lot more if it was used twice. Use it on the first turn (80%) then what ever round. You'd do over 200% since the cool down was 4 turns.

    It cant be used twice anymore which makes this statement invalid =\.
    You cannot compare it to the old IA anymore.

    @Redclaw
    quote:

    oh and the gamma bot was introduced as having 2 types of attack having equal damage and hence ppl bought it... if it was changed it would kind of be a rip off to the ppl who bought it (since it was bought with varium) and so i doubt they will change it..

    Look at Infernal Interdictor (massive strike from 75% to 55% remember?) and enchancements.
    Only thing i have to say to you.

    < Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/25/2013 3:26:07 >
    Epic  Post #: 70
    3/25/2013 3:56:49   
    cool preston
    Member

    		Hold the phone... Why in the heck do you want to nerf gamma.

    It is the best balanced bot out there.

    May I remind you the physical attack is blockable like IA and Yeti the energy attack is unblockable but is deflectable like IA.

    100% dmg all the time is no big deal. Since it has no special at all.

    Again why in the world should gamma deserve a nerf. It's a strategy bot it should stay that way.
    MQ  Post #: 71
    3/25/2013 4:19:23   
    Mother1
    Member

    		@ cool preston

    he wants to nerf it because it can be used whenever it's get off cool down without depending on some factor and it does 100% damage where as the other bots can't. For those reasons he thinks the bot is OP and needs a nerf.

    @ Zeph

    Please tell me if this bot was truly OP and you said you knew this, then why didn't you bring this up from the start? Cause even if it isn't the case it truly just sound like you want this bot nerfed just because the infernal android got nerfed.

    Also Zeph on the infernal weapon it went down to 55% only because the staff nerf crits by 5% so the war weapon only lost 15% of the original extra 25% of crits.

    < Message edited by Mother1 -- 3/25/2013 4:22:53 >
    Epic  Post #: 72
    3/25/2013 5:05:38   
    Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
    Banned


    		 ^
    quote:

    then why didn't you bring this up from the start? Cause even if it isn't the case it truly just sound like you want this bot nerfed just because the infernal android got nerfed.

    That is exactly why i didnt brought it up earlier, because of the simple fast it wouldnt be of any use to complain about gamma when there was something way and way worse then it.
    If i complained about it, all you would say is:
    First nerf IA, then go on about gamma

    You know that as good as me that everyone would say that or something similar.
    There was no use complaining about it.

    quote:

    Also Zeph on the infernal weapon it went down to 55% only because the staff nerf crits by 5% so the war weapon only lost 15% of the original extra 25% of crits.

    A nerf is a nerf, no matter how small or big.
    Epic  Post #: 73
    3/25/2013 5:23:37   
    redclaw
    Member

    		@zeph

    quote:

    If i complained about it, all you would say is:
    First nerf IA, then go on about gamma


    well ur kind of right... if u would have brought it up earlier u would have got tht kind of response..... anyway abt the infernal weps i aint to sure cause i missed tht little saga and didn't even know there was a nerf like tht...

    About enhancements.... well cant really say anything abt it cause the devs have already given long lectures abt tht change and i cant really add on anything to tht.......

    But dude seriously..... wht makes something OP? u need to ask urself that..... if it gives an added advantage in battle it doesn't mean its OP... if its better than other bots it doesn't mean its OP.... Look at it this way... when a match between u and a GB user started, would u say tht u lost just cause he had a gamma bot? it isn't one of those bots here having it means tht u won, unlike many other OP things like the IA for tanks..... str mercs in the beginning of omega... supp mages with azraels gun(before the nerf)... as u can see these are what can be defined as OP, when having something decides the outcome of the match.... not if it gives u an added advantage in battle....
    AQW Epic  Post #: 74
    3/25/2013 7:06:05   
    Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
    Banned


    		 @Redclaw

    Let me explain it on a different way to give you all a clear view of how I think of this:

    All robots can be countered on a certain way.
    Pyro Fly:
    Can be countered by making all skills lvl 1 or not rely on 1 single skill specifically.
    For dmg using a tech or resistance buff
    All Yetis:
    Using skills, robot or a simple strike.
    For dmg using a tech/dex or defence/resistance buff
    Bio Borg:
    Using ranged attacks like robot, gun, aux and some skills.
    For dmg using a dex or defence buff
    Infernal Android:
    This one cant be countered specifically because it can use its special.
    However it can only do it once which makes it still stallable by using some kind of tech of res buff.
    Assualt Bots:
    First off not effective against TLMs.
    For the rest its preventable by not using a debuff move or just make the debuff skill high so it takes less away.
    For dmg using a tech/dex or defence/resistance buff
    Azreals borg:
    Can be countered by assualt bots special or making your buff skills high.
    For dmg using a dex or defence buff

    And now for gamma bot:
    None except throwing 2 shields on which would be wasting 2 turns.

    Now, you see that its OP or..?
    It cannot be countered on anyway, thats what makes it OP, dealing 100% dmg on both damage types yet having no penaltys makes it a simple robot as all of you think, but this also makes it OP.

    Note: I have not mentioned malfunction because it effects all bots
    Epic  Post #: 75
    Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
    All Forums >> [Artix Entertainment Games] >> [EpicDuel] >> EpicDuel Balance >> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf
    Page 3 of 6«<12345>»
    Jump to:






    Icon Legend
    New Messages No New Messages
    Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
    Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
     Post New Thread
     Reply to Message
     Post New Poll
     Submit Vote
     Delete My Own Post
     Delete My Own Thread
     Rate Posts




    Forum Content Copyright © 2018 Artix Entertainment, LLC.

    "AdventureQuest", "DragonFable", "MechQuest", "EpicDuel", "BattleOn.com", "AdventureQuest Worlds", "Artix Entertainment"
    and all game character names are either trademarks or registered trademarks of Artix Entertainment, LLC. All rights are reserved.
    PRIVACY POLICY


    Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition