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3/25/2013 7:45:09   
redclaw
Member

umm y do u even need to put a shield up?? by doing this u are just giving him an advantage by wasting a turn.... tht is the worst possible thing u can do....just play ur normal game and attack... cause u r one of the very few ppl i've met who has found this bot OP..


Ok and lets just say tht u are right.... wht would u suggest they do? add a cool down to the special?
AQW Epic  Post #: 76
3/25/2013 8:00:22   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

Option 1.
Make the Special 90% damage every single time its used, it will still be repeatable, and have all the other advantages it already has.
Option 2.
Increase the specials cooldown to 4 and dealing 95% damage every time.

This, slight nerfes making the bot deal less dmg.
You cant just change the special, but you can nerf the damage, which they have done to many things (azreals, massive strike etc etc.)

Not big nerfs if you ask me, yet it would make it less powerfull.

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/25/2013 8:01:01 >
Epic  Post #: 77
3/25/2013 8:10:05   
redclaw
Member

umm but if they did reduce the damage it would beat the whole purpose of the bot... i mean there would be no point in using the special unless there is a major difference between the guys def and res..... and it would then become UP.. unless something like increasing crit chance is added... but then again that would completely be changing the special.....
AQW Epic  Post #: 78
3/25/2013 8:16:20   
Sageofpeace
Member

80% damage 50% crt^
Post #: 79
3/25/2013 8:23:55   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

umm but if they did reduce the damage it would beat the whole purpose of the bot... i mean there would be no point in using the special unless there is a major difference between the guys def and res

The purpose of this robot is dealing both damage types.
It still does with this nerf, only then less dmg in energy.
only 10% has been taken away or 5% which isnt much at all, 6 dmg on max.

So no, it would not become UP
Epic  Post #: 80
3/25/2013 8:26:38   
redclaw
Member

quote:

It still does with this nerf, only then less dmg in energy.
only 10% has been taken away or 5% which isnt much at all, 6 dmg on max.



wait so ur saying tht 6 dmg is the difference between it being OP and not OP? seriously?!?!?!
AQW Epic  Post #: 81
3/25/2013 8:29:09   
Ranloth
Banned


 How about simple buff to IA which wouldn't be too much and make it a bit stronger? Nerfing Gamma or buffing IA will close the gap of that 6 damage, no? I think players would be happy with a buff rather than a nerf. >.> Something like this: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=21193328
AQ Epic  Post #: 82
3/25/2013 8:36:45   
redclaw
Member

IMO the best thing to do is just buff every single thing in this game and then see whts op and wht isn't...
AQW Epic  Post #: 83
3/25/2013 8:49:04   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ If they buff everything then everything will still be the same but with higher power which basically gives the same problems -.-

@Trans
They just nerfed it this way, probarbly with a reason, they will (most likely) not buff it.

Even if, gamma bot will still be OP since it wont be changed at all.
Best thing is reduce its damage, i would prefer a completely different special but that will most likely never happen so reducing its damage is the only option for now.
Epic  Post #: 84
3/25/2013 8:57:03   
redclaw
Member

oops my bad i meant buuf everything whch isn't OP... lol
AQW Epic  Post #: 85
3/25/2013 11:49:03   
Mother1
Member

@ Zeph

Imbalance is still imbalance and even if other people say something is more OP it doesn't make what you are complaining about any less OP. Plus through looking through this thread the mass majority seem to disagree with you about this bot being OP.

Also you forgot about malfuction and omega override if they have tech as their highest stat. Those are 2 counter you have for all robots that you didn't mention.
Epic  Post #: 86
3/25/2013 13:31:43   
beastmo
Member

There has been no complaints about Gamma Bot being OPed in Gamma and Delta I think you just trying to get a useless nerf
Epic  Post #: 87
3/25/2013 13:41:33   
Lycan.
Member

I agree with you ^ There has not been many complaints about Gamma bot except when it got nerfed because you could use gamma's phy attack straight after the energy attack but that was for the sake of balance, yes he is trying to get a useless nerf not because he thinks it is OP but because IA got nerfed to the ground and cannot think of a good build which will be OP because his precious IA isn't OP anymore and actually relies on strategy.
If IA never was implemented no one probably wouldn't be complaining for a useless nerf, Gamma bot was like this for 2 years and now you decide to complain? sure but i doubt the Devs will nerf it because if it was that OP it would have been nerfed a long time ago

Also if Gamma bot's damage gets nerfed (i highly doubt it because you are like the only one complaining) then the Omega Yeti's will have to lose some damage as well, the omega yeti charges will have to go and we would need to get compensated for that core because Omega Yeti's have 15-16+ damage with Yeti charge while Gamma bot only has 14+
Gamma bot was implemented as a bot for dealing damage so reducing it's special by 10% (6 damage is a lot) would destroy the purpose of it..

quote:

^ IA has always been a OPed robot, im glad that it got nerfed.
However the nerf was a bit too big, which makes Gamma bot OP because IA was the only robot that came close to Gamma bot its


IA could be given a slight buff as a solution.
You were saying Gamma bot is OP prior to IA's nerfed? You make me laugh, that is definitely not the case here, as i said before why was it not OP before IA was implemented? I used to read forums since Gamma and their was no complaints about Gamma bot being OP before, IA got nerfed, great but this means Gamma bot is OP? No! If that was the case then like i mentioned before Gamma would have been nerfed a long time ago, remember it was like this for about 2 years now?

< Message edited by Lycan. -- 3/25/2013 14:16:22 >
Epic  Post #: 88
3/25/2013 13:50:15   
beastmo
Member

And if what lycan says will happen then robots are basically useless trash.
Epic  Post #: 89
3/25/2013 14:16:19   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 @Lycan
quote:

yes he is trying to get a useless nerf not because he thinks it is OP but because IA got nerfed to the ground and cannot think of a good build which will be OP because his precious IA isn't OP anymore and actually relies on strategy.

Sure... thats why i have set the highest % record above 300 wins during Omega with an Omega yeti, not to mention during its most balanced >.>
I even have proof of this so yeah...
quote:

If IA never was implemented he probably wouldn't be complaining for a useless nerf, Gamma bot was like this for 2 years and now you decide to complain?

When i joined this game, IA was already there, dont forget im delta which you can see on my char page >.>
I didnt complain because IA was way worse and you all would have just ignored me and complained further about IA.

quote:

the omega yeti charges will have to go and we would need to get compensated for that core.

How so, i only nerf gammas special, not his normal attack which makes this statement flawed.

@beastmo
quote:

There has been no complaints about Gamma Bot being OPed in Gamma and Delta I think you just trying to get a useless nerf

Thats because resistance has now been lowered which makes the robots special more powerfull then back in gamma/delta.
And in delta no one complained because IA was worse then Gamma.

@Mother1
quote:

Also you forgot about malfuction and omega override if they have tech as their highest stat. Those are 2 counter you have for all robots that you didn't mention.

Thats not even a counter, and i have mentioned malf.
Page 3 on the end:
quote:

Note: I have not mentioned malfunction because it effects all bots

Its called reading before posting >.>

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/25/2013 14:32:39 >
Epic  Post #: 90
3/25/2013 14:31:42   
Cookielord12
Member

It's fine. Besides, it's nice to see more GBs. IMO, IA Physical attack needs to be buffed, say 13 or 14 base damage? It's so bad that I never use it.

< Message edited by Cookielord12 -- 3/25/2013 14:32:56 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 91
3/25/2013 14:43:49   
beastmo
Member

@Blitzex

I don't think you really understand, your fighting for a lost cause. There is literally nothing wrong with gamma bot. There hasn't been a single buff on it for what? 2-3 years I believe..
Epic  Post #: 92
3/25/2013 14:52:51   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ I fight for balance, which not much ppl here do and care more about reputation and other ppls opinions on them then actually trying to improve this game.
I couldnt care less about what the community thinks about me, as long as they dont judge me on my reputation but on my ideas which alot here apparently do >.>

And Just because it hasnt been nerfed/buffed doesnt mean it cant be OP.
Epic  Post #: 93
3/25/2013 14:56:17   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

I fight for balance, which not much ppl here do

Right. So we must agree or we're not fiighting for balance? I mean, Hun fights for equality for BMs because they "suck", apparently, yet they are doing perfectly fine. Does he fight for balance or pointless changes? We're entitled to our own views. If we don't agree with you, that doesn't mean we don't fight for balance. It's all opinion based, and changes won't be made unless they are necessary or requested by the community (buffs are often requested, sometimes nerfs if something is OP & examples include recent balance changes).
AQ Epic  Post #: 94
3/25/2013 14:58:59   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

We're entitled to our own views. If we don't agree with you, that doesn't mean we don't fight for balance.

And i'm not authorised to express my opinion and try to give statements to change your views?
Cause thats basically what your impleing here >.>

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/25/2013 15:03:43 >
Epic  Post #: 95
3/25/2013 17:58:45   
Mondez
Member

I don't support this nerf and of course my reasons are valid, but to as to why it needs a nerf is still not really clear.

I use gamma bot in battle and because I'm not too familiar with IA I don't see as to why after the following nerf IA, that Gamma has to follow the same trend. I've used gamma bot for a long time and until now I still see no reason to nerf it when it has been balanced the whole time.

The attacks on gamma is pretty much using a regular weapon that's affected by focus. Gamma Bot doesn't do anything special except:

1. Physical attack
2. Energy attack

You say the resistances have been nerfed, but what does that have to correlate with gamma in the first place? The reason IA was nerfed was do to its buildup special. Gamma should not be nerfed because he doesn't have anything to enhance his attacks nor do his attacks buildup to deal more damage. So my opinion is stated clear and I swear I hope they DO NOT NERF GAMMA BOT because it is one of the bots I would like to have untouched and not ruined.

< Message edited by Mondez -- 3/25/2013 18:00:36 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 96
3/25/2013 18:09:27   
Lycan.
Member

quote:

When i joined this game, IA was already there, dont forget im delta which you can see on my char page >.>

Trust me the bot has been same as it was in Gamma and no one complained so don't worry Mondez, there is a pretty low chance this bot will get nerfed now since it didn't get nerfed in Gamma and someone who only came in delta is critisizing the bot, oh wait it's only OP because IA got nerfed hmmm no.
Epic  Post #: 97
3/25/2013 18:32:47   
AQWorldsFarmer
Member

quote:

Seriously not supported. Plus if you think about it if the gamma bot is OP then so are the omega and golden yetis. why because they do more damage then the gamma bot. If all bots were meant to be equal then they would have

1 the same attack meaning all bots would get their damage either 12-15
2 they will be given the ability to use all other robot cores



key words: If all bots were meant to be equal

So IA needed to be nerfed becuase it wasn't equal with yeti's? Remember what you said: Bots aren't meant to be equal

But Gamma Bot DOESN'T need a nerf becuase it isn't equal?

Post #: 98
3/25/2013 18:34:48   
Hard boy
Member

jeez, if anything the yetis have to get nerfed, or buff the gamma instead.

thats the purpose of gamma bot DO DAMAGE in both elements. and purpose defeated when yetis and IA were introduced.

Gamma shouldnt be touched, its a classic item in the game, and still works well, so enough will all that crap.
Epic  Post #: 99
3/25/2013 18:35:43   
Ranloth
Banned


 Yeti and IA have different abilities, you cannot compare their power easily because both are useful in different situations. They won't always be equal in power, but close. With one having an advantage over the other depending on the conditions; Bio Borg is useless if player uses skills that aren't Melee + cores, or Azrael Bot when your enemy doesn't use Shields in the battle, etc.

IA pulls ahead if the battle is short, in longer battle, Gamma will win. Simple as.

Neither does Gamma need a buff.

Merged two posts to prevent double posting after others were deleted. ~Tanky

< Message edited by TankMage -- 3/26/2013 10:05:34 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 100
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