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5/19/2013 16:16:30   
Mother1
Member

@ xendran

This is incorrect. Even with the pyro fly targeting the top 3 skills if one of the top three skills is a level 1 skill it can go after this. I have seen it happen when I use my pyro fly with my level 28 alt merc.
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5/19/2013 16:27:24   
Xendran
Member

Oh, i didn't realize you were talking about actually having a level 1 skill as one of your top 3.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 27
5/19/2013 18:15:09   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I was under the influence that pyro fly just took any skill, not the top 3. I once had it, but I regrettably sold it (one of my bigger mistakes).
Epic  Post #: 28
5/19/2013 18:55:41   
doomkiller98
Member

quote:

I was under the influence that pyro fly just took any skill, not the top 3. I once had it, but I regrettably sold it (one of my bigger mistakes).


And i regrettably sold my screaming eagle. God what was i thinking......

On topic: Mages only have casting right now And thats the other problem Malf,heal, Reroute, And DA just dont work together like they did a year ago... So now mages have to resort to casting (Unless they have AW/Glass Cannon Builds).

< Message edited by doomkiller98 -- 5/19/2013 18:56:02 >
Post #: 29
5/19/2013 18:56:51   
Xendran
Member

quote:

And i regrettably sold my screaming eagle. God what was i thinking......


Ouch
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 30
5/19/2013 19:29:18   
Tushar
Member

5 focus don't suit TM now...
This is is single build we all use....
And some players do pwn me with their tactics...
Epic  Post #: 31
5/19/2013 19:37:35   
Mother1
Member

quote:

5 focus don't suit TM now...


It doesn't suit TM now? Even before the focus nerf Focus 5 TM was UP compared to the builds using focus 5.

But on another note all I see TM use these days are either the Glass cannon build in 1 vs 1 or the caster TM build in both modes. It is so strong, that when I got a level 31 Partner TM who was a caster we both beat 2 level 35 Players with decent builds.
Epic  Post #: 32
5/19/2013 20:24:28   
edwardvulture
Member

Strength mage still works.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 33
5/19/2013 21:25:19   
Noobatron x3000
Member

^ Only if they have the free win gun and aux (Azrael) Otherwise caster will still come out on top in my experience with mages, Thats the issue here bolt as it stands is the main damage for the mage class I'm not saying they're aren't other options. Simply that they're aren't other options capable of reliably competing with the top builds of the other classes. Nerf bolt and watch the mage class dissapear.
Post #: 34
5/19/2013 21:27:44   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Noobatron: Not necessarily. I made a strength-based TM and it fared pretty well, and I didn't even use azrael's will in more than half of my fights, let alone those fights that I did use it in it was arguable I needed it to win. I just used it because it was safer, not necessarily because I was about to die.
Epic  Post #: 35
5/20/2013 0:51:30   
Dual Thrusters
Member

Caster is seriously OP

I tried making one for my TM. First I dumped all my stats into tech and dex. Then I spread my skills out. I have only lost one match with it so far (since the beginning of april).

That is so pathetic -.-
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 36
5/20/2013 2:35:31   
chusen
Member

well if plasma bolt gets a nerf to tech/4
might as well use overload since it scales dex/4 with added stun chance and has a lower cost
so plasma bolt will be a strange move to pick...
and i bet bounty hunters will increase in numbers
also bet people would want a nerf to strength mages too if they ever see a very effective one...
and it doesn't fit the theme of being a TM... just sayin cause they are supposed to be casters?

< Message edited by chusen -- 5/20/2013 2:36:08 >
Post #: 37
5/20/2013 6:46:09   
romanu
Member

My main is a mage and I think PB or Assimilation needs a nerf. For PB I would do it like this: You can only get high damage at high level of PB( Y ou need to invest many point in the skill if you want it to do the damage it does now), and for assimilate make the energy steal blockable( so if you get blocked you only steal like 3 energy).

< Message edited by romanu -- 5/20/2013 6:47:57 >
Post #: 38
5/20/2013 6:50:24   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

well if plasma bolt gets a nerf to tech/4
might as well use overload since it scales dex/4 with added stun chance and has a lower cost

It's not a problem for a BM with Fireball + Overload yet Bolt + Overload isn't? Overload is still weaker by a little compared to Fireball.
AQ Epic  Post #: 39
5/20/2013 7:24:46   
Xendran
Member

Fireball is a different damage type, so that comparison doesn't fare well.
Plasma bolt and overload are both meant for energy damage, so if they're too similar in damage, overload is a no-brainer.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 40
5/20/2013 7:25:05   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Overload is no where near as effective as bolt most of the dex casters and strength TM builds aren't that difficult to deal with tbh . If i see either build i know for a fact I've won unless they have azrael. And that's the issue IMHO nerf bolt and mages become fodder.

It was buffed for a reason remember that devs.

< Message edited by Noobatron x3000 -- 5/20/2013 7:27:09 >
Post #: 41
5/20/2013 7:28:25   
Xendran
Member

That's the reason you don't see me making posts about plasma bolt. Mage is in a spot where nerfing it would also require buffing up a lot of its other builds, because we all know that it would get overnerfed and completely obliterated.

And if you doubt that, remember how they dealt with heal loop.
They implemented a ridiculously bad ENTIRELY NEW GAME MECHANIC as well as nerfing two parts of medic in order to deal with the two mage looping builds.


quote:

It was buffed for a reason remember that devs.


Yes, it was. Because it was underperforming at low levels.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 5/20/2013 7:29:22 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 42
5/21/2013 13:10:39   
Synner
Member

@romanu i agree plasma bolt and assimilate nid a nerf
Post #: 43
5/21/2013 13:47:35   
Tushar
Member

If you nerf plasma then TM ll be the weakest class i guess...

I am using TM from when omega started...

I didn't tried to change class because earning credits became hard...

So I continued with TM...

Before assimilation buff my usual build was 5 focus...

After assimilation buff... Still both 5 focus and caster build were good...

But after 5 focus nerf Caster build is better now...

I have tried TM strength build...

And for me the ratio was 56% or somthing...

Caster build is easy to counter...

Mostly for those who counters my EP...

Like always everybody using this build doesn't make it OP exactly....

< Message edited by Tushar -- 5/21/2013 13:49:13 >
Epic  Post #: 44
5/21/2013 13:53:19   
Tushar
Member

quote:

Overload is no where near as effective as bolt


Duh...

It stuns your opponent... That's why...
Epic  Post #: 45
5/21/2013 14:09:04   
Noobatron x3000
Member

^ I'm aware of that i was simply pointing out the dex casters are laughably easy to beat on any other class as are the strength mages i know cause I've done it. Nerfing bolt is condemning any mage that doesn't have azrael to near worthlessness. Most people that want this nerf to happen aren't playing mages the mages that want this nerf to happen will be extremely sorry if it ever does and they see the consequences. Another dead class.
Post #: 46
5/21/2013 15:13:58   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Nerfing bolt is condemning any mage that doesn't have azrael to near worthlessness. Most people that want this nerf to happen aren't playing mages the mages that want this nerf to happen will be extremely sorry if it ever does and they see the consequences.


Quoting for emphasis. More people need to realize this.
Is the skill OP? Yes.
Is nerfing it going to balance the class? No. It's going to turn it into merc where you have a max of 1-2 viable builds. Mage already pretty much only has 4 viable builds anyway (Supercharge, Plasma Bolt, 5 focus, support).
It would be come 5 focus or supercharge, that's it. Just like how mercs now are pretty much only pure str or pure supp. 5 focus mercs are pitifully easy to defeat now because of how weak they become when you drain their EP.

Think about how much more fun it would be if mage had all these options as EQUALLY viable when built intelligently with correct equipment:

5 Focus Bot
OL Caster
Multi Caster
OL + Multi Caster
Bolt + Charge Caster
Bolt + Bot Caster
Charge + Bot Caster
Pure Bolt Caster
Pure Charge Caster
Tech 5 Focus sword-mage
Str/Dex Spellsword with moderate multi
Strength battlemage
Support mage
Str/supp hybrid battlemage
Str/Tech staff with moderate bolt
Str/Dex staff with moderate OL
Str/Tech staff with moderate Charge
Heal loop (in a way that isn't overpowered)
2v2 Supporter (EP Drain, shields, buffs, debuffs, cores that support your teammate)

You'd start a battle with more than just "Is he supp or bolt?"
That right there is 19 builds that mages have all had at one point. That's similar to, if not higher than, the number of viable builds in the entire game right now.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 5/21/2013 15:19:00 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 47
5/21/2013 19:11:21   
toopygoo
Member

agreed with XENDRAN.

when i jugg, i look at stats. if its a mage i look at one of two things, i know exactly what their build is.

is their resistance higher than 30?
is their defense higher than 30?

if its neither, then i dont have to worry about them. if its tech, i bot. if its dex, i drain energy.

it involves little to no thinking at this point in time.
AQW Epic  Post #: 48
5/22/2013 2:07:03   
Bloodpact
Member

Honestly to fix it I think it needs one thing, to not be able to crit and its perfect.
It's all dandy when you can absorb most of its dmg ,but then if it crits it goes through
so much armor and then you see op numbers.

< Message edited by Bloodpact -- 5/22/2013 2:09:58 >
Epic  Post #: 49
5/22/2013 2:21:15   
Mother1
Member

@ bloodpact

That would not solve this problem. I had a partner who had 36-40 resist since he was a caster, and when my opponent who was another caster attacked him with a level 2 plasma bolt he took 37 damage without a crit. This came from is from a level 2 plasma bolt. The move scales too fast and needs to be toned down to the level of fireball.
Epic  Post #: 50
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