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7/19/2013 3:40:53   
Scyze
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@VanitySixx,
Glass Cannon TM's are OP? I counter them easily.

You see, the reason why you don't see their win ratio high is because their build is common. People will figure out their weakness and take that as advantage. Also, the population of these Hunters are quite high so once they meet together, the person who goes first will probably win.
Edward Cullen might have got the 100% win ratio but then it could have been all to do with luck. I managed to beat him most of the while he only beat me a few times.

Glass Cannons have nothing to do with the whole BH's being OP and I do agree that the Azrael's Will is the main issue. I've seen the Strength BH build used by people with the Azrael's Will and they do better than the ones who are using the same build but without the Core.
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7/19/2013 4:53:40   
VanitySixx
Member

@Scyze

This is the thing, Glass Cannon's itself is no problem at all and Azrael's will by itself is no problem at all. All classes are somewhat balanced so there is no true issue there (maybe some MINOR fixes). Bounty Hunters itself is not overpowered at all. Tech Mages are not overpowered at all. No class is.

These two weapons are overpowered. What I'm trying to say is there can't be any variety in builds because of these weapons. You've seen some strength bounties in battle, sure. But how many? How many are successful? You're looking at a fingertip full of players using this build and how successful is it? If it's really successful, why isn't it heavily used?

Edward for sure was not lucky since he finished the day with 92%. That's just insane. And everyone knows what weapons he has. Let's not avoid the problem that sits in our face and blame the classes or the developers or anything. It's just these two weapons put together.
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7/19/2013 6:22:06   
kosmo
Member
 

 guys a lot of players in this game can easely reach a +85% win ratio, the fact u dont see them on the lb doesnt mean they arnt there, they are probably just using a slow counter build.
in my opinion the only thing tht needs a fix (this is out of topic) is dadly aim, as a bm i find this passive a bit OP and i think it should get a little nerf both for glass cannon and focus/str blood mages.
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7/19/2013 7:06:50   
Scyze
Member

@kosmo,
Yep, this is what is really happening. Builds that are slow in getting wins will more likely have a good win ratio and them not having a lot of wins means they don't show up.

< Message edited by Scyze -- 7/19/2013 7:07:09 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 79
7/19/2013 11:46:41   
kosmo
Member
 

 ^ this is why i tink that leaderboards should be expanded, in that way ppl would relize that they can acutally get a good ratio, and most important players wouldnt be forced to use fast builds to get in lb.
im not the first one that suggested a change to LBs, and im sure that this would bring more competitives players to the game

< Message edited by kosmo -- 7/19/2013 11:47:26 >
Epic  Post #: 80
7/19/2013 15:43:21   
  Exploding Penguin
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 Deadly aim isn't OP. BM is a class that consumes most of its energy (excluding bludgeon) on defensive skills such as intimidate, field medic, and their strong buffs. Because of this, BM relies way too much on its fundamental damage to support blood lust and its offensive play. If deadly aim were nerfed even by 1 more damage BM would be significantly weaker.
Epic  Post #: 81
7/19/2013 16:04:14   
Predator9657
Member

@kosmo

quote:

in my opinion the only thing tht needs a fix (this is out of topic) is dadly aim, as a bm i find this passive a bit OP


1. It's not OP.
2. Why complain about something that's going in a while anyway - have some patience until passives change into actives.
Epic  Post #: 82
7/19/2013 16:15:22   
VanitySixx
Member

@Scyze and @Kosmo

EXACTLY MY POINT! If any player can do this and it might take some time to get wins, then no class is overpowered. Bounty Hunters aren't, Tech Mages aren't, etc.

We all know what's the only overpowered thing in the game and we can't even lie and say there's a way around it because there is not. You may beat people with these two specific weapons but that does NOT mean you always will. Chances are you'll go 40-50% against players who know how to use Azrael's Will and Glass Cannon. Some players don't know how to use it so it may seem like it's not OP. If you're lucky and you fight players who don't know how to use it, your % may shape up a little.
AQW Epic  Post #: 83
7/20/2013 1:03:31   
The Basic Instinct
Member

I just want to take this time to thank you guys for this chat. And as far as i can tell you guys are putting up A pretty good argument xp thanks a lot guys
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 84
7/20/2013 11:04:51   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Vanity: In Omega the slower builds not being on the LB albeit having high win ratios is the point, however back in previous phases it wasn't. I think I recall goldslayer1 using an extremely, extremely slow TLM focus tank build and got a 98%+ ratio, while getting in the top 5 on the LB. I guess it was because he never lost, lol.
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