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1/16/2014 12:20:58   
The Death Angel
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I don't understand why free players would leave Oversoul due to X-Boosts. They have little to no impact on your gameplay. The sense of accomplishment to you might be lost at that point
but I have yet to see the big deal when it comes to X-Boosts. Rather be proud of the fact you don't use X-Boosts if anything.

Though I'm sure the majority of paying players don't keep this game going at all either, as you might imply with every post.
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1/16/2014 12:29:35   
DarkLore
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And that is why players who have DFR tommorrow (If it costs sg's.) will never hear the end of it. LOL!
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1/16/2014 12:54:54   
The Jop
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@The Death Angel
Are you joking? It's a PvP game. You can't have the best characters without Soul Gems. You can always CC free ones to make them great though, right? Not as a free player, from my experience. If X-Boosts only gave double experience and gold at most it would be perfectly reasonable. But it's not, it's almost 7 times more than the gold and experience free players get. So for every one CC pack a free player gets, someone with all X-Boosts can 7. And keep in mind that free players can only get gold packs which mostly only give attacks, whereas SG packs guarantee a high ranking card as well as having chances for better cards. So there you have it, faster leveling, all the best characters, and all the cards they want to add to their characters. I've heard the argument that free players can do it as well (this only applies to card packs and leveling, not the best characters), but with more time, but that's not at all reasonable or okay when X-Boosts get both gold and experience 7 times faster. I don't know what they were thinking. I understand that they needed money to support the game, but doing this so early in the game or ever has driven a huge number of players away from the game. And I can't see them ever lowering the cap on X-Boosts, so I don't see those players ever returning because they see this as a pay to win game.

< Message edited by The Jop -- 1/16/2014 12:58:34 >
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1/16/2014 12:58:24   
Andlu
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@The Jop. Erm. Volt engineer, Void champion, Mana guardian, Poison Drake, necrosis, earth elemental/taurus say hi!
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 179
1/16/2014 12:59:54   
The Jop
Member

Evil Jim, Taurus, Abomination, Abyssal Priest, Year of the Horse, Cosoma Titan, Cyber Void, and Founder Champion say hello back.

P.S. Taurus and Void Champion aren't free.

< Message edited by The Jop -- 1/16/2014 13:01:42 >
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1/16/2014 13:01:41   
Andlu
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Evil Jim doesn't beat mana guardian.
Abomination is not as good as VC/PD
Abyssal priest loses to VE
Year of the horse, nothing can be perfect right?
Same for Founder champion
Cyber void is not that good as PD/VC/VE even if it's a good one.
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1/16/2014 13:04:12   
The Jop
Member

Evil Jim easily beats Mana Guardian because it has to charge so long to be of any use.
Abomination is better than a majority of free shadow characters, and I've already said VC doesn't count as free.
That's your opinion, but they both have the same capacity to dish out a lot of damage quickly.
I guess you just conceded here?
Light characters are the most flawed; no free light character has retribution or greater heal.
True, I was just naming powerful characters off the top of my head.
What about Cosoma Titan?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 182
1/16/2014 13:05:09   
clintonian
Member

Yes you can have the best chars without sgs example:aqueous volt engineer necrosis poison drake Minotaur Love weaver(with cc) well void rebirth may be the best fire only for light and nuetral the sg chars rule.

< Message edited by clintonian -- 1/16/2014 13:07:50 >
Post #: 183
1/16/2014 13:06:30   
The Jop
Member

@clintonian
Yeah, "with CC". I guess you didn't read more than half of my post where I said how little CC is available to free players, did you?
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1/16/2014 13:09:24   
The Death Angel
Member

They paid money for such benefits. Do you expect them to have a handicap? You believe it's unfair for free players to not get everything, though I'd like to concur it's perfectly fine.
Do you know AE can just magically make money appear? Soul Gems is the way Oversoul makes its income, and there has to be an incentive for players to buy Soul Gems, which are in the form of certain characters/X-Boost/Gold pack CC.

There does not exist an ideal game like the one you imagine. There is no reason to whine about paying players getting bonuses because they decided they would pay their own hard earned money on this wonderful game.
You can be competetive in PvP without having the best characters at your disposal. Heck, the best character in the game prior to recent release, costed 0 gold and was a legendary along with Erfrierung and Xmas Fiend(Though you might've had Xmas Fiend prior to last christmas)

Sooner or later you will have to face the fact that this game is not run on air and love. It costs money to keep employees, it costs money to keep up servers, taxes, meanwhile having an actual income that doesnt cover beforementioned stuff.

Edit: VC is as free as it gets, although you might now own the character, it is still a free character in every respect.

< Message edited by The Death Angel -- 1/16/2014 13:10:46 >
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1/16/2014 13:10:34   
clintonian
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You just gotta farm hard got all my cc with gold and I don't have boosts and I got 23 lvl 20's so depends how much you love the game
Post #: 186
1/16/2014 13:16:46   
The Jop
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@The Death Angel
I expect them not to have 7 times the rewards free players do. No other AE game is this imbalanced. Giving paying players 2x experience and gold would've been more than satisfactory. And what does "prior to the recent release" mean to me? It just means they nerfed a free character because people complained it was too powerful for a free character. How is that support for free characters being powerful if it's not in-game anymore?

@clintonian
I also addressed that in the paragraph you replied to but didn't read...

< Message edited by The Jop -- 1/16/2014 13:22:45 >
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1/16/2014 13:18:34   
Jmagician
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@Death Angel: Well, I was a paying player, my first SG package was a 250 one. But I have to agree with The Jop. The benefits for SG players aren't balanced right; they could have done a lot better with their business plan. It's true, there were many players that have left OS since X-boosts. Not only free players but paying ones as well so they actually lost good income from those players. Including me, I still play OS but I am not spending any money on it anymore.

As for your "best character in the game" example, it isn't so great anymore so it doesn't really count. Also, VC is not free. OS is under AE and you had to be a paying player under an AE game to get it.

@clintonian: I know right, dedication can get your far. I just keep reminding myself of TFP lol!

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 1/16/2014 13:21:25 >
AQW  Post #: 188
1/16/2014 13:25:38   
The Death Angel
Member

Again, gaining levels and gold does not impact you or the person next to you. Everything a person with X-boost can do, you can too. It comes easier to the player with X-boost, but you can still obtain most stuff without Soul Gems.
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1/16/2014 13:31:04   
The Jop
Member

It's advertised as a PvP game, so all the cards and levels they can obtain that you can't give them an edge. And I already addressed that argument in my earlier paragraph, 7 times faster is ridiculous.

< Message edited by The Jop -- 1/16/2014 13:32:04 >
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1/16/2014 13:33:39   
Jmagician
Member

@Death Angel: Yeah, your statement is true. But you are forgetting the speed difference in which both groups can obtain things. It makes a difference.

edit: Aww darn it, now this discussion is bumming my mood. I was actually hyped when they announced X-boosts and here I am arguing against it. I honestly thought it would be a reasonable increase in benefits, not the amount it is now.

@below: It is more than 200%

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 1/16/2014 13:36:22 >
AQW  Post #: 191
1/16/2014 13:35:09   
bartirix
Member
 

 I'm going to jump into the discussion too, I think that xboosts should be nerfed to a max bonus of 100% because srsly, 200% is so insane xD
Also I think that there is indeed a lot of free stuff for players, but most of the things that get released nowadays are Pay2Play or Pay2Evolve.
Now ofcourse, there's dynasty warrior, a pretty strong character but still in no way to be compared to The Year Of The Horse, and Time gentleman, the insanely rare and EXTREMELY hard to capture character. Now, TG is só rare, I havent encountered him after a whole week of intensive leveling and his capture chances are so low, that its nearly impossible to get him without SG.
I think theres too many actual good characters that are pay2play. Just look at the ammount of legendaries and check which one of them is free.

@Jop where the heck did you get 7 times faster from? o_o I currently have 10 permanent xboosts and 20 7 day xboosts and I only get 200% extra xp + gold.
The cap is 200% bonus XP and Gold, not 700

< Message edited by bartirix -- 1/16/2014 13:36:57 >
Post #: 192
1/16/2014 13:36:27   
The Jop
Member

@bartirix
It actually gives you 690% gold and experience including the temporary ones.
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1/16/2014 13:37:23   
bartirix
Member
 

 @jop your argument is invalid, I currently get +200% xp and gold while I have currently got 30 xboosts running.

The xboosts dont stack after 200% bonus!

Wait lemme calculate this after the next fight...

< Message edited by bartirix -- 1/16/2014 13:39:39 >
Post #: 194
1/16/2014 13:39:35   
The Jop
Member

@bartirix
100% for everyone + 200% Permanent X-Boosts + 390% 7-Day/30-Day Boosts = 690%.

< Message edited by The Jop -- 1/16/2014 13:42:07 >
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1/16/2014 13:40:29   
Jmagician
Member

@bartirix: I'm totally fine with characters being super rare like TG and the rare beasts. Main reason is that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I welcome that part of the challenge. A few SG characters every now and then are fine by me too, cause SG players have to get something for their money. I am fine with how they balanced out the SG and free characters in the game IMO. It is the X-boosts tho. So unbalanced. I would suggest what they can do to fix the issue, but there really is none. They can't just nerf it or take the whole feature out for re-designing cause it is already implemented.
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1/16/2014 13:41:46   
bartirix
Member
 

 What the heck is that... that is so gamebreaking o.o
But honestly, theyre not going to nerf the xboosts, it'd blow away a lot of incomes :/

edit: is FQ worth the 4 sg? (I've already got the master so yea xD)

< Message edited by bartirix -- 1/16/2014 13:45:40 >
Post #: 197
1/16/2014 13:46:25   
The Jop
Member

That's true, I mentioned that earlier as well, and it creates a big problem that drives away free players. I guess that's a good reason to stop complaining since it won't change.
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1/16/2014 13:48:49   
Andlu
Member

Best Ice water and light characters ARE P2P. But the rest the best are F2P. I don't think there is something to complain. Xboost is a shortcut. Not access to exclusive stuff.
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1/16/2014 13:49:50   
Mondez
Member

Well Xboosts were created as shortcuts although I thought capping the perma boosts at 20 was a bit much. (Guilty as charged since I have 20 perma boosts)

I pretty much get the other 39 temp boosts to train certain characters I want to either evolve or cap at 20. Thanks to the Xboosts I finally got my Queen Aegea.

SGs right now only have two functions in OS:
1. Unlocking characters
2. Shortcuts

Plus complaining about something that is pretty much the same in many MMORPG is kinda stretching that it's cheating. For example Maplestory has exp boosts and gold boosts. League of Legends has the same concept and many more others.

< Message edited by Mondez -- 1/16/2014 13:51:52 >
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