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2/9/2014 23:33:21   
Gorillo Titan
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Hey, that would of been a good character for free players to have then. Free players get nothing amazing just the struggle of finding crazy hard stuff like DFR and Moose.

< Message edited by Gorillo Titan -- 2/9/2014 23:39:02 >
Post #: 351
2/9/2014 23:37:26   
The Jop
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@Jmagician & Gorillo Titan
I agree.
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2/10/2014 0:24:05   
DidYouKnowThat
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Or just take away the dang Frostbites and it's good.
Post #: 353
2/10/2014 0:38:40   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 X-Mas Elf was nerfed because players did nothing but spam Shatter and heals and discard everything else unless they needed shields. It had nothing to do with her being free or not. She was way too durable for an Ice character and she could possibly last indefinitely against another Elf.
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2/10/2014 0:40:04   
The Jop
Member

That's why she was nerfed, but people used "she's free" as an argument for why she should be nerfed.
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2/10/2014 0:44:51   
Gorillo Titan
Member

If thats the case queen agea should be nerfed since people win using it not losing a single hp the entire fight.
Post #: 356
2/10/2014 0:45:42   
DidYouKnowThat
Member

She was nerfed TOO much though. :/
Post #: 357
2/10/2014 1:06:02   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 @gorillo Aegea doesn't get access to 1k damage cards that she can stack while still being defensive. The Elf could heal, shield and damage with Shatters.

@DYKT Elf is still able to stall a battle with healing and shields while still dealing decent damage. Just now she can't use Freeze to make it harder to block the Shatters and she can't constantly put on HoTs to revert any damage she takes. Most of why people don't play her is because they prefer short battles. EF is an amazing Apprentice lvl earth character but she takes longer than the average Ice character to finish a fight. People want short and quick battles to get their gold and experience and move on to the next monster. Finding DFR/Time Gent/Moose would take eternity if you had to use nothing but Ice characters to slowly chip away at the enemy's health.
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2/10/2014 1:10:06   
The Jop
Member

@ND Mallet
It's also the fact that Frostbite is such a terrible card, at 800 damage over 4 turns for 6 energy. They could have given her a worse healing card and kept the shatters, because it's really the only option ice characters have for damage over time if they don't want to be terrible.
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2/10/2014 3:22:08   
Kiazz
Member

I'd still like to see Frostbite turned into either a 1000 over 5 turns for 6 energy or 800 over 4 turns for 5 energy. As it is, it's to weak to be relied upon, making it a weak-link for any, otherwise, decent characters. And in reply to that ancient point TFP made: No character relies on three Cat Reflexes, and neutral characters have more than enough other good cards to offset it. Also, it passes through counter attack, giving it meaning. Frostbite is only justifiable, due to Shatter's same turn, better cost, and better damage, when done during the end. But even then, 6 for 600, 6 for 400, or even 6 for 200 is inferior to attack cards' cost-benefit ratios.

I agree with Jop on the shatter thing, though I would like to see Frostbite rebalanced.
Post #: 360
2/10/2014 3:58:47   
necro rouge
Member

The problem with frostbite is that ice already has shatter, which is insanely cost efficient, so ice just can't have another super cost efficient dot card. IMO the best way to buff it is to add 200 more damage over another turn for the same cost while nerfing shatter by adding another mana cost to it.
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2/10/2014 4:01:17   
clintonian
Member

I bet later on there will be a char with xmas elf's old deck only difference that char will probably be sgs.

@below yea mana guardian could wear it down with all the DoT's

< Message edited by clintonian -- 2/10/2014 4:07:52 >
Post #: 362
2/10/2014 4:06:15   
necro rouge
Member

@clinton
I doubt it will be the same, but yeah, we will probably get another ice/water hybrid later on, but by then we will maybe have some new cards that could counter the shield/heal stacking. Also, I never got to try it, but I'd think that mana guardian could destroy the old xmas elf.
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2/10/2014 4:10:46   
DidYouKnowThat
Member

Frostbite is a disease to any deck. Taking out the Frostbites from X-mas Elf is better than leaving it in there in my opinion. Adding Frostbite just killed it, which in my opinion is one of the biggest
reasons why nobody uses it. Too weak now. Nerfed WAY too much. Just cause f2p doesn't mean you can nerf it so much. Glad I kept Elf at level 4. lolololol.

@clintonian: If that happens, then kinda confirms that X-mas elf got nerfed so much just cause it was F2P.
Post #: 364
2/10/2014 5:06:29   
necro rouge
Member

The xmas elf nerf makes it evident that whoever balances the game isn't too good at it. Nerfing either the sustain or damage would be good enough, but they even put in frostbite, which is a bad card in its current state.
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2/10/2014 6:00:01   
Kiazz
Member

@necro That's what I said. 6 for 1000 over 5 turns. Also, having an "insanely" cost-efficient card isn't grounds for denying another card of equal ability. You might as well have two shatters, if that's what you're going for. You're drawing from the same energy pool. I think that shatter is perfect as it is, in relations to the cards in most of the elements, however, what with corruption, poison, iron hide, greater heal, etc.
Post #: 366
2/10/2014 8:48:08   
Gorillo Titan
Member

An AFK tag if you don't do anything for a few minutes.
Post #: 367
2/10/2014 13:16:07   
The Death Angel
Member

Nobody argued that Xmas Elf needed to be nerfed because it was free for everyone to use. The argument you might think of, is that Xmas Elf was avaible to everyone for 0 gold in a shop in Solace. The best character (Which was broken by design) should not be that easy to get. In short, Xmas Elf was way too accesible for how absolutely broken she was. It had nothing to do with the character not being SG, etc.
I honestly don't even want the best character to be SG only, and it would probaly send off the wrong signals too.

Again, buffing frostbite would make the entirety of the Ice Element broken. The point is that ice characters have the ability to stall matches for a long time, which would easily make the most out of DoTs. Thats why the ice element has the weakest DoT.
This is slowly turning into a balance discussion again and I dont want more warnings :(

On topic: Now that Battlegems is going to be released, I want to see more consistent and bigger updates. We've had many months of releases that had little content, but to make up for it we got incredibly hard to get characters, which is cool too, but if we those characters every update
it sort of exhausts the players too.
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2/10/2014 13:34:55   
Gorillo Titan
Member

I would like to see consistent OS releases. Its cool Nulgath tells us about releases now though but teasing us with stuff that doesn't happen is very annoying.
Post #: 369
2/10/2014 14:22:28   
DidYouKnowThat
Member

We weren't arguing why she got nerfed in general, but how much she got nerfed. . . we all knew that X-mas elf was broken, so it needed to be nerfed, but it got nerfed TOO much.
Really though. . . .nobody uses Frostbite. . . .it probably is the worst card in the game. . . in my own opinion. . . . . you'll die probably before having it in full-effect. Lol. Either that or it'll be rendered useless anyway since the enemy can simply put up a shield or heal.

Buff it or take it away or something. I'm sure nobody will mind if it's taken away from the game or something. . . Just saying >.>

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I don't know. . . they say 98.5% done. . . but really. . . .. might take another month or so if you think about it. . I mean, it's AE after all. lolololol.

And yep, and it'll suck even more if the Lepid/Slime don't get character trees. . . .. :L We kinda should get one. . . . .:P

As for bigger better updates uh. . . . . maybe. . but didn't someone say that the dumb game called BladeHaven was next. . . . . . . . .Man if that happens I'm going to be soooooo disappointed and might just go for another OS hiatus.

I haven't even logged on now in a while on Oversoul . . .. yes, that is how boring and pointless/repetitive this game has become. :(

Post #: 370
2/10/2014 14:51:08   
The Death Angel
Member

Xmas Elf with Shatter instead of Frostbite would still be arugably OP, but looking at the general opinion coming from all the forumites here, I'll probaly get a lot of flag for just implying Xmas Elf's design is broken and it's simply caused by her being a dual element between ice and heal.
Xmas Elf would still work, but everyone have their mind set on "omg, if this ice character cant spam freeze, shield up and cast tons of shatter it just doesnt work!!!1" You'll have to play her differently from all the other ice characters, which in my opinion, is absolutely fantastic. She actually varies from all the other ice characters atm.

They're not going to continue on Bladehaven. Bladehaven is just a minigame made by Thyton if I remember correctly. It's not really a big project. You should be more scared of AQ3D
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2/10/2014 15:41:30   
Gorillo Titan
Member

They are making a Bladehaven 3d game dude. Also can two people work on a single contest character?
Post #: 372
2/10/2014 16:26:09   
Mondez
Member

If Bladehaven 3D is next on the list over OS then I would like to see a part time coder added to the team because even though we have to of the best coders on the AE team, it would help appease the masses on releases anytime to have a extra hand if Warlic and Rolith are pulled away from OS.

Sure there are of artists, but coders are one of the main things we are going to need if we want OS to develop at a steady pace plus have at least a foothold on the feature designs.
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2/10/2014 16:31:05   
Gorillo Titan
Member

Rolith been left OS.
Post #: 374
2/10/2014 16:40:00   
The Jop
Member

Where did you hear that?
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