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6/30/2014 0:01:46   
Silver Sky Magician
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 It would be nice if the devs would at least say something about these bugs and possible underhanded interventions. And give deep thought to the structural obstacles the attacking side faces in coordinating strategy. Really, really unimpressed by the devs' PR. It's the worst in all AE games, comparable to almost-dead ones like Oversoul. I get that it can be tiring to see negative posts, but these negative posts are in no way unjustified. I can only hope that the next war will be better, because there is no reason for me to think it will.
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6/30/2014 0:20:15   
DeathGuard
Member

^I work with the ED Team and they aren't doing interventions on the war. They are other factors included about how the current war system works but I have no permission to talk about it though I have asked to give a better explanation on the current system. While the last War Rally worked out different as planned, this is one of the scenarios that will serve as a base to avoid future mistakes.

Also, remember that the Developer team is small, and that with so many on place, they can't be answering as other game devs does. You had be surprised by how much content is worked out throughtout a week, and how hard every member of the ED Team works. They are several factors that doesn't permits such content from being released week by week e.g. coding
I think the war system has been improved from the 2 previous ones. War Reward Tiers are definitely more fair to both sides, and the losing side was aided by reinforcements and war rallies.

Negative posts are never justified. Constructive posts are though. It is explained in the Forum Rules that what helps the Devs is constructive feedback, and not negative posts.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 102
6/30/2014 0:28:13   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 To add to what death said in Cindy's absence there is no official PR member. So the person whose job it would be to dispel or confirm our fears is temporally void. PR would also be able to walk the line of what I can and cannot say just a tiny bit better than what death has done.

Take the silence to mean nothing and not like others have done to conclude the silence is admission of guilt.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 103
6/30/2014 0:29:45   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 @DeathGuard

Negative posts include things like 'is there an intervention on part of Legion in this war? I think there is. The devs must be cheating!' which is justified given Exile's overnight 1 million point lead. And the devs just have to say 'no, there isn't'. We just need three words. When there are constructive posts like 'I think there's a bug with the war rally' the devs have to respond 'We're on it!', else players may think that the devs are doing this on purpose because they are apparently ignoring the issue. Hence constructive posts turn negative 'The devs are helping Exile'. You cannot expect constructive posts without affirmation or at least acknowledgement. If we feel like we're shouting at thin air it's unreasonable for us not to be cynical. The devs have to understand that - they need to assign someone (maybe you, DeathGuard) to help them with communication. Maybe the in-game mods like G00NY (where is he?) There aren't even that many posts on the forum and they're largely repetitive.

@Angel

Yep, I get that. Unfortunately silence is not an option. When you're silent about something like the war rally bug despite it being brought up for over four days consistently, we have to wonder if you even know about the problem in the first place. If you do, why aren't you doing something or even telling us that you will do something? Silence doesn't mean 'nothing' - it means that you completely misjudge the value of communication and punctuality, or see the content in question to be not worth responding to.

< Message edited by Silver Sky Magician -- 6/30/2014 0:33:18 >
Post #: 104
6/30/2014 0:45:13   
xzkamityx
Member

correct me if i'm wrong but if any dev would just comment on post about big problems, such as the war rally bug, it would let the ED community know they are trying to fix it as fast as they can. It's better to tell the community you messed up than to not say anything at all.


one thing will never change, and that's that I like strawberry shortcake. mmmmm I sure do love strawberry shortcake.
AQW Epic  Post #: 105
6/30/2014 0:51:03   
DeathGuard
Member

@OWA: That's one of the main problems with communication right now. Cinderella was the one in charge of public relations and the one who replied to most of the community questions since the other Devs were busy with content. Now without Cindy (due to her PhD), the communication has fallen and you know how hard is making someone in charge to that type of job since it isn't an easy one. Just as coders and artists need to be trained, PR workers must have knowledge on the marketing area and how to deal with large masses of people. I'm currently not capable of such stressing job since I'm halfway through my college career and I have barely seen marketing due to it being engineering.

@SSM: You may have reasons to post negative posts but doesn't means the words you're speaking are justified(what is just or right). Considering the war rally incident occurred in a weekend, Devs don't work on such days due to their personal lives. I can assure you will get a response tomorrow since they normally issue such things when they are back from weekends.
Sometimes Devs doesn't comment due to three reasons:
1)Due to their NDA, they aren't able to speak about how something is done/executed.
2)Due to other type of worse bugs being taken off (such as the Plasma Bunker bug)
3)They are busy with content and every time taken to reply delays the update which just makes worse the mood of players which increase their rants and queries.

Devs have said themselves that if you speak nicely to them, they will hear you out which most of the ED players ignore. When I direct myself for some query, I can't be unrespectful just because I have talked with them and they are nice to me. I must maintain that respect between work employees. Pretty much just as me, people should direct themselves with respect to them.
As explained to OWA, the PR substiture for Cinderella must be someone who has knowledge about marketing and other areas, which is a knowledge I have yet to learn about in a expanded aspect.
Moderators spend a lot of time handling the in-game behavior and reports, and G00NY has been really busy lately due to several reasons I can't mention.



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6/30/2014 0:51:38   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Sky you're more sensible than this topic has been seeing because nearly everyone else has cried developer intervention and the silence proves that. So I do respect you for that.

Anyway as much as I would love a statement from the developers I don't think them saying "yeah here are the bugs that decided to pop up" will put many at ease. Frankly we don't have the best track record for handling bugs in an orderly fashion. The important bug announcements are normally met with a lot of outrage in until they are resolved

Edit: Wild theory. The war only got really screwy today and the development teams do meetings on Monday so there might be some research into the matter then so we can be told more than there is a bug which at this point we don't need a Dev to make clear

< Message edited by One Winged Angel1357 -- 6/30/2014 1:04:19 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 107
6/30/2014 1:38:41   
xzkamityx
Member

ok so I have come to the conclusion that nobody should be upset about the bug, I thought it over and if anybody should be upset it should be the devs. Who did the bug hurt, us legion(guys we where down by 1 million, that's six 0s). the war was given to both sides, the damage was doubled for both sides, therefore both sides got double influence, meaning we got double influence so we got closer to that 5k mark a heck ton faster than with out it. All it did against us legions was put the nail in the coffin for this war, but the thing is exile didn't even get that big of a jump off of it.

quote:

Devs have said themselves that if you speak nicely to them, they will hear you out which most of the ED players ignore. When I direct myself for some query, I can't be unrespectful just because I have talked with them and they are nice to me. I must maintain that respect between work employees. Pretty much just as me, people should direct themselves with respect to them


Death is right about this. Most players don't just inform a dev about a bug, we shove it down their throat and hope they swallow it.

it's ok to joke a round a little but maybe we should start asking nicely and just inform and give feedback, not go on rants like we always do.
AQW Epic  Post #: 108
6/30/2014 15:34:32   
Dual Thrusters
Member

Whatever, Legion will still get credits and arcade tokens. That's good enough for me.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 109
6/30/2014 16:16:34   
Bagofbricks
Member

To be fair the tokens and credits are all that are really worth getting anyways
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 110
6/30/2014 17:09:28   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Visual bug on the Legion score? I can't wait for the DN to explain all of this

Titan ‏@Titan_EpicDuel 7m
quote:

Rolling a fix shortly to address a visual bug with the Legion's Score. Design Notes coming soon to explain the issue.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 111
6/30/2014 17:12:30   
Ranloth
Banned


 Or worse, just have players spread rumours about how the "visual bag" is purposely manipulating the war - because, why not? People will use any excuse if they lose, and convince others - which is basically taking advantage of others' lack of knowledge.
AQ Epic  Post #: 112
6/30/2014 17:18:22   
Rui.
Banned

 

 I bet legion is gonna be ahead by a million after this fix.Trans your theory on job retention is gonna be proved wrong.. Keeping my fingers crossed :)

< Message edited by Rui. -- 6/30/2014 17:24:20 >
Post #: 113
6/30/2014 17:21:54   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Rui. I'm not going to lie but I would rather have a visual bug with Legion winning than have War Rally bugged to high hell. Now it seems it is only marginally bugged if both sides are getting a buff. Or we are neck and neck and that's how the system compensates
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 114
6/30/2014 17:26:48   
Rui.
Banned

 

 its all good, i love these bugs... I want this visual bug to reappear just when exiles are gonna win the war again ehehe fun fun fun.. Syfy needs to smile and get off red bull ya know
Post #: 115
6/30/2014 17:45:45   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 So what happened in this war is Legion spent a lot of resources turning scrap into much smaller scrap. God we really wanted to make sure the health objective was dead
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 116
6/30/2014 18:04:45   
Jacobfarrow1
Member

XD I guess so. Now the Exiles can't put it back together without Ulysses, who won't have anything to do with the war.
AQW Epic  Post #: 117
6/30/2014 18:07:09   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Jacob we haven't hit Wasteland yet so maybe he will be in the next one. Or it could be West Naval Yard but I heard that needed to be redrawn like Overlord Facility
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 118
6/30/2014 18:10:14   
Jacobfarrow1
Member

Oh, I see. I think in his text he says something about not being concerned with our petty wars, which is why I said that.

And I believe they mentioned in the DNs that West Naval Yard was going to be redrawn. Two areas? Not very many...
AQW Epic  Post #: 119
6/30/2014 18:18:14   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Jacobs this can go into very tangent type territory so let's continue this in PM if you want.

Anyway we are back to a neck and neck race so I think I'll stream some EpicDuel war farming tomorrow to make good on my high effort promise
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 120
6/30/2014 18:22:48   
Jacobfarrow1
Member

Ah, true. Let's get back on topic.

I'm gonna be using both my Exile Tech Mage (Level 10, currently playing) and my main, who is a Legion Blood Mage (Level 32, using soon) in the war. My TM because I want to level it up, and my BM because I want to get the prizes and see what'll happen if Legion makes a comeback.
AQW Epic  Post #: 121
7/2/2014 15:44:48   
Stonehawk
Member

I wonder if the prize was repeated just because exile won. I mean, they tried hard to make legion win, and since it didn't worked, they put FROST PRIZE on LIONHART war...
I don't know, it's just too weird.

(sorry didn't see there was already a topic talking about rewards)

< Message edited by Stonehawk -- 7/2/2014 15:57:55 >
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