quote:It's what we call an example, my friend.
About the replay to the Unicorn guy ( good manners ofc, just got a long nick xD ), he said we shouldnt use guests in overall, then gave 2 spesific guests and made them sound like a magic solution for every challange, and replayed to him cases when those 2 may make things worse .
quote:Please do not make and spread false assumptions about me or anyone else. I beat Pandora EX without extra potions, food, guests, or lucky dragon fumes strategies so I completed the challenge without any add-ons or unnecessary RNG at all. I did so for all other challenges as well, and I tried a few with guests, too, and seeing how pathetically easy they made challenges made me want to start this thread in the first place.
About contradictory, where were you when a guy mentioned that he cleared challanges using guests, yet pro banning it? , Using a feature and wanting to disable it is contradictory ( clearing a spesific challange when guests helped him clear it, got the rewards, now can ban them ). ( No offence to the guy who wrote it, Im sure it wasn't out of bad thought, just wanted to give him an example of contradictory from the side he supports ).
quote:The point of the Inn is to come up with a class or strategy that gives you an advantage over a challenge (such as, and this is only an example, using Technomancer against Sepulchure and making use of his Mana Leech ability to boost your damage), but Guests on the other hand, not just give you an advantage over but trivialize all challenges. This is not healthy for the Inn at the moment and this is why I feel they should be nerfed.
Also using 2 spesific guests, which may be good in X situation ( single boss low bonus ) , and wanting to ban all guests is an extreme move and unsolid explanation. Its like wanting to ban dragonslayer from any challange , because hes good at the dragons board, not a solid arguement, using a class/ strategy to counter inn bosses is how we clear the inn, and pretty much do it in every challange - using a strategy which makes you strong againt X boss.
quote:I mentioned this before but the ChW nerf topic was only brought up because of the sheer volume of Inn Releases (almost a whole year's worth) composed of easy fights that had to be beaten multiple times, which glorified hyper-offense, which ChW is among the best at. This made it seem relatively overpowered when compared to other classes and that's why we requested a nerf. The ChW nerf thing died down because the developers promised to release more duos and trios and complex solo extremes which of course wouldn't be as easy for ChaosWeaver to do on its own, which with the release of Pandora EX, is evidently going to happen. ChW was actually one of the first challenges to complete the Gauntlet without healing, so I don't know where you got that from. Pet Dragon Shield and Chimera can be used in conjunction but their cooldowns make it so that they are not loopable, as they are long and only one of them will cool down as only one can be equipped. Neither does it deserve a nerf nor will it be asked for. The point is, we do not ask for nerfs to things that are strong, just things that are overpowered and trivialize the challenges and the effort poured into them.
So far we've had threads asking for a ChW nerf, a thread about Dragon Element Scythe being a 'mistake' and now guests being 'too unbalanced'. Talk about ChW nerf has died down now, probably because ChW couldn't instantly defeat the no-heal gauntlet challenge, so the people demanding the nerf had lost precious DragonFable clout. More than likely, people would've forgotten about the use of guests in rogue strategies in a few months once we started to see traditional duo fights again. I reckon in the future, people will ask for a pet dragon shield nerf, because you can use baby chimera and pet dragon shields consecutively.
I would like to end my post with a quote from Verlyrus himself:
I dont really want to blanket ban guests since i think they can be made interesting and not awful cheese
So they are not being banned, some of them will likely be nerfed and there will be changes to make them less of an RNGfest.