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3/19/2021 5:52:43   
GwenMay
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INTRODUCTION

Like the title says, this is a thread for discussing new, non custom package items for the $200 USD package tier and to bring attention to the issue.

Currently, the $200 USD/150,000 token package tier is by far the most efficient way to purchase Z-Tokens in AdventureQuest. It is 1.5 times more USD to token efficient than the next most efficient tier, the $100 USD/50,000 token tier. If a player wants to buy a lot of tokens quickly, such as for a token donation drive, then the 150,000 token tier is easily the best way to do it.

THE PROBLEM

Unlike the 50,000 token tier or indeed any other token package tier, the 150,000 tier has exactly one promotional package: the custom face package. This has created an unfortunate situation where the staff is constantly burdened with custom face commissions that take away from time they could be spending improving the game for everybody. Additionally, this makes a lot of big token buyers not want to request a custom face at all out of fear of burdening the staff's valuable time. I myself have bought nine custom face packages and sat on them for months, even years, before using them; three I never redeemed for a unique face at all. Also, custom faces become much less valuable the more you buy; after the first six a buyer has run out of character slots for their account to put custom faces on and have to either start a new account, put multiple custom faces on a character, or just never redeem them.

THE SOLUTION

I think a lot of players would appreciate having non custom face promotional items for the 150,000 token package. Purchasers would like a reward they can buy without worrying about burdening the staff and would have an incentive to buy more than six packages for other than just the tokens themselves. Furthermore, every player will benefit from less staff time being spent on individual commissions.

Staff would also benefit from having more 150,000 tier packages. Every new package reward they make at that tier means many custom face commissions they do not have to make. New package rewards would also encourage more purchases from players as well, especially collectors.

There is a valid argument that players should get something special for spending $200 USD and few rewards can beat having a custom face. First, I think there are plenty of special rewards staff can make that doesn't require the constant burden of making new faces. Second, players should still be able to request a custom face at that tier; they would just have other options that do not burden the staff. Third, after a player has a custom face on each of their characters, more custom faces become much less valuable, and additional choices would give players willing to buy multiple $200 package valuable alternatives.

CONCLUSION AND MY SUGGESTIONS

Ultimately, it does not matter what exactly the new 150,000 tier rewards look like, as long as they are not "custom item" packages that would just take up even more of the staff's time. I think any form of new package reward for the 150,000 token tier would be appreciated. Staff could also implement new packages slowly, one at a time, like the other tiers - this would avoid overburdening staff too much at the beginning

I invite anyone who is interested to offer feedback both on whether this is a good idea and on what "good" 150,000 tier rewards might look like. Additionally, I do not think allowing players to "buy rares" would be a good suggestion either; I would prefer not to implement AQW's IADOA system or something similar in AQ.

Below are some ideas I have had for new 150,000 token rewards. Please feel free to add your own or discuss them!
-A series of new "legendary" weapon/armor/shield sets with a cool full set bonus like the 50,000 tier Champion packages
-NPC Armors: Armors that transform the player into a copy of famous NPCs while equipped like Artix, Galanoth, Warlic, etc.
-Any new items/spells/skills that change the background for the rest of the fight
-Bonus Golden Gift Boxes for the purchasing character (e.g. 100 free boxes)
-Permanent versions of classic temporary weapons like Tarnished Caliburn or Dragonblade. This would only give purchasers a time advantage of skipping questing for these items every login, much like the recent update to estate stat retraining; eveybody else will still be able to use the temp versions for wars or quests just as well.
-Allowing purchasers to unlock any two lower tier packages per 150,000 package purchase.

< Message edited by GwenMay -- 3/19/2021 5:54:54 >
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3/19/2021 6:32:27   
rai0kakashi
Member

quote:

-A series of new "legendary" weapon/armor/shield sets with a cool full set bonus like the 50,000 tier Champion packages


my wallet will scream in hunger for money

quote:

-NPC Armors: Armors that transform the player into a copy of famous NPCs while equipped like Artix, Galanoth, Warlic, etc.


well it's for the adult whales

quote:

-Any new items/spells/skills that change the background for the rest of the fight


ah, the FPS killers
I like it, my computer doesn't like it though

quote:

-Bonus Golden Gift Boxes for the purchasing character (e.g. 100 free boxes)


that's dull

quote:

-Permanent versions of classic temporary weapons like Tarnished Caliburn or Dragonblade. This would only give purchasers a time advantage of skipping questing for these items every login, much like the recent update to estate stat retraining; eveybody else will still be able to use the temp versions for wars or quests just as well.


Oo I might get Tarnished Caliburn

quote:

-Allowing purchasers to unlock any two lower tier packages per 150,000 package purchase.


players who want tokens only won't get it and players who want two lower tier packages only also won't get it
so it is pretty niche
Post #: 2
3/19/2021 7:29:24   
Silver Horn
Member

quote:

players who want tokens only won't get it and players who want two lower-tier packages only also won't get it
so it is pretty niche


That's simply not true. Players who only care about tokens will get the package regardless because it is the most token efficient. But having an option to get 2 lower tier rewards with it is better than overburdening the staff with custom faces

Also, the package itself is already niche because of its high price so it's a moot point. I honestly don't care for custom faces that much but there's nothing else to get in that tier. An alternative item would be better.

< Message edited by Silver Horn -- 3/19/2021 7:30:41 >
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3/19/2021 12:20:28   
Sir Cloud
Member

Yes, having another option available for the 150K package would make sense, if anything to give the Staff a breather from us Z-Token hungry Whales! I mean having 12 custom face packages myself with even 1 yet to be created means I'm probably good to go on the need for more, lol! However, it's ALL on me for not coming up with an idea yet for the Staff to make any of them. From what I've seen, they all look amazing for those who have them. But, of course I'd still like to get the ones I have made first though.


Signature removed, please do not use your Signature in the AQ Suggestions Forum. -Digital X

< Message edited by Digital X -- 3/19/2021 19:32:27 >
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3/19/2021 16:03:48   
  The Hollow
AQ Lead


Let me start by saying that this is such a great example of how awesome the fans of AQ are! What other game has players that are concerned with the workload of the staff? We really appreciate you folks :)

Now on Custom Faces... Do they take time? Sure. Do we get a lot of orders? Sometimes. Do I look at them as a burden? Absolutely not! All the token package bonuses are there to show our appreciation for your support of the game.

I would love to be able to offer bonuses from other packages if you did not want a custom face, but unfortunately we just aren't set up to do it. Some of you may remember when we first started doing package bonuses, we could only have 1 active at a time. Captain Rhubarb really worked some magic when he added the ability to have multiple package bonuses active at a time.

What if we offered a $250 package that came with 200K Z-Tokens?

< Message edited by The Hollow -- 3/19/2021 16:40:56 >
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3/19/2021 17:51:06   
GwenMay
Member

@The Hollow

It's good to know the staff doesn't mind custom face orders! I am sure I am not the only repeat purchaser who has felt bad about putting more work on the AQ staff.

I think a $250 USD package for just 200,000 tokens would be an amazing solution for everyone! The people who just care about the tokens get a slightly better bulk deal, it's probably the easiest solution to implement, the staff has less custom face orders piling up, and custom faces are still available for the people who want them! Honestly I did not even think about just making a "bonus token" tier/reward.
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3/19/2021 19:26:33   
Deaf of Destiny
Member

@The Hollow

What about custom misc, spell or pet for $250 200k package since we have champion set for $100?
Post #: 7
3/19/2021 20:15:48   
GwenMay
Member

@Deaf of Destiny

Custom items sort of defeat the point of this. Items take a lot more time than faces since they need art, animation, and skills. The idea of the bigger package should just be to provide a slightly more token efficient package for players who don't want/need a custom face but do want to buy tokens in bulk.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 8
3/19/2021 21:04:45   
Sir Cloud
Member

quote:

What if we offered a $250 package that came with 200K Z-Tokens?

Great idea and simple fix with this as an option! Would really love for this to be added soon. Thanks Hollow! :)
AQ  Post #: 9
3/19/2021 22:47:57   
Deaf of Destiny
Member

Understand about this. But misc is very simple art and just add code that's all. But have to copy any items. Can't use new or have to wait til someone make new items then copy items
Post #: 10
3/20/2021 2:19:18   
jd33
Member

So I wanted to pop by and do a few passing thoughts. Firstly, I think custom faces are probably the best reward you can give for that high of a price bracket because of how personal the value can be to you, as well as not requiring any coding or balancing, it is purely a cosmetic item. However, I don't think anybody would have a problem with just adding on a new $250 package because there are a few people who really seriously only buy tokens because they want tokens. But personally I would like to see more creativity in the package ideas, or that some of the other packages that underperform get rebalanced, items like Necragon, War totem, Shaman, etc which are not even niche picks for the stats. That doesn't fix the problem long term though.


I definitely understand the concern that Gwen has brought up, and I've heard that same concern from multiple whales, that is, they just run out of ideas of things they want for custom art face wise. I've heard of many of the whales just giving away faces because they don't know what to do with them. At the same time I've also heard of people waiting way too long for a custom face, so the current system definitely needs some improvement. Clearly there's a problem that needs a solution, but I'm not so certain if just tokens only is the main way to go about fixing it.


To the suggestion about "ultra champions, or champ sets above the $200 price point, I think that is a neat idea with good potential to be useful to a lot of people, while also making the workload on the staff even greater than custom faces, and ending up as a new problem. You're going to have a similar problem for any equipment that is above $200, you will have to balance the effects in that price point where people seriously consider buying it, and then you will have to do artwork anyway on top of the coding required. It just seems like a messy solution that doesn't solve anyone's problems.
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3/24/2021 19:23:56   
PD
Member

Looks like the man just implemented this.

That's one happy Bishop Finch.

< Message edited by PD -- 3/24/2021 19:24:40 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 12
3/25/2021 20:32:55   
GwenMay
Member

Thanks for the new package Hollow! Now it's time to prepare for the summer donation...

Bishop Finch is pretty cute lol.
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4/6/2021 7:01:00   
Darches
Member

I would like a quest-free Dragon Blade, but with updated art like this. Such convenience is the only thing that would make me spend that kind of money on AQ (if I even had that much money).

HOW ABOUT ACCESS TO OLD GUARDIAN GIFTBOX ITEMS? I'M READY TO RIDE A TURTLE! A special quest that unlocks previous gear. All of it? A different set per package bought?

< Message edited by Darches -- 4/11/2021 2:42:05 >
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