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What are your thoughts on the stuff to be included in this package?
- A class? (perhaps Fleshweaver?)
- A new item slot? (like a trinket's skill that would guarantee a weapon's special effect for a turn?)
- A choice of old/up-to-date Calendar Classes? (may turn into a new larger cost of DC/package or to be sold in-game for a huge amount of DC)

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I would suggest maybe BiS accessories or weapons that are equal to but not surpassing the items we can get from the Inn.

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I would suggest maybe BiS accessories or weapons that are equal to but not surpassing the items we can get from the Inn

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I second the idea of having an item in the 20k package. More items for all packages actually (like AQ).

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That sounds like a really bad idea. And it would make DF almost a P2W.

Having an option to pay 50 dollars for BiS items is really really bad idea.

Currently the Inn rewards are much better because you cannot get those kind of items anywhere else. Your suggestion sounds like "pay X amount of money to skip the challenges and get the rewards".

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I feel like the 20k package is fine as is, honestly. It's a relatively big commitment to buy such a package, so I'd rather just have it stay as the "value pack" where you get the most DCs for your buck.

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I'm a fan of the QoL items. Stuff like the Storybook and whatnot.
I would absolutely get a 5 potion refill into my house at nearly any price, having to go all the way for those is kind of a pain, for example.

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How would it make DF P2W? There's so many accessible Inn videos on Youtube between myself, Astral Codex and Kevin, would people really pay $50 to skip it just to get the rewards? And I said equal in power to the Inn items but definitely not surpassing them which means you can literally get items with similar if not exactly the same stats for FREE. Would you pay $50 for stats on an item when you can get it for completely free? If anything, it would be for the cosmetics

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Because then there is more incentive to buy the items apart from art alone? I don't think cosmetic items will sell as well as items with good stats/effects. Not saying that purely cosmetic items won't sell well but it's like asking do you want A + B or just A for the same price. The answer is obviously both if possible. And why are you so bothered that the accessories have stats equal to Inn gear? I was very specific in saying that in no way should it surpass the Inn items.

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Isn't it great that there's another option of obtaining a item with same stats but different artwork?

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With this argument you could also complain about the recent changes to make potion levelling available for gold and the greatly reduced cost of DM gear since those are very big parts of what makes Inn challenges significantly easier

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Have you noticed that the montly DC items rarely are BiS -items? That is because one of them Heartseeker's Helm IX could be considered such and nobody liked that. The same logic can be used with items that come with DC packs.

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I'm not sure are you sarcastic or not. Because this point makes no sense. You don't see the difference of this situation where

A.) every player has the advantage since there is no payment involved to get gold (one could argue that the XP -boosts are one and they are not wrong, but if you are bying 20 000 DC, you will probably use some of them to boosts, but you can still get gold very easily) or DM more easily or

B.)You pay ~50 dollars to unlock BiS -items without any trouble or farming or challenge required.

So with the addition of 20 000 DC (that you can use to buy weapons with great specials and great DC classes and XP-boosts) you would also get BiS -items? You really don't see how this makes them P2W? It doesn't matter if they are equal to Inn stats, that still would make them P2W. Why would you do Inn challenges to get items if you already have equal ones that you paid 50 dollars to get?

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I don't really keep track on which of the monthly DC items are BiS but there are definitely a few that come close, Heartseeker's Helm like you mentioned and Starswords pre nerf for their strong DoTs are what comes to my mind. Nobody liked the Heartseeker's Helm? I dug up the release thread from when it first came out and literally no one mentioned that they disliked it? There may have been discussions on Discord which I'm not aware of but I definitely haven't heard of anyone hating on that item. EUD is BiS trinket, GT is best for ele seeking, Threadcutter is very good offensively, maybe only second to Uragiri and Fallen Ice Dragon weapons used to be BiS against humans. What are you talking about? Nobody likes those items? Really?

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I'm not being sarcastic.
Anyone can get the advantage of BiS items even if they choose not to pay. Either by doing the challenges themselves or apeing videos on Youtube. This involves no spending whatsoever. You seem to miss my point whereby I very specifically said that these package items should not surpass Inn gear in any way so these BiS items from packages are not exclusive to spenders only.

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I don't see why adding even more value to packages to incentivize players to spend hurts non-spenders in any way when they can get items equal in power by not spending at all. If anything, this benefits the game since more revenue (which hopefully means this game can eventually expand on the 2 main staff that they have, less work on the 2 people and perhaps better/larger releases with a larger team). There are literally FREE alternatives which are EQUAL to the paid version, this is not P2W. P2W would be exclusive BiS items that surpass every other item in the game, even Inn gear, that is NOT what I am suggesting. Majority of the people who are actually interested in doing the Inn challenges (and not just for the rewards) do it for the challenge itself, not the rewards, this addition wouldn't change that. As for those who could care less about the challenge and just want the rewards, they are probably apeing videos anyways so it also wouldn't change a thing.

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Just because you are able to buy those packs and want a reason to buy those packs, doesn't mean those packs should include BiS -items. And I'm not saying there shouldn't be any special bonus on that pack. I'm saying, it shouldn't be BiS, it should be a cosmetic item. Like say unique customization catalysts for classes.

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I'm not missing that point. I'm saying that you shouldn't get the best or equal-to-the-best items by just using real-world currency. That makes the items you get challenges not so special anymore. It is like devs giving us an option to use DC to buy all the Inn rewards. No one would like that would they? That is because it would lessen the value of those challenges and be a huge annoyance to players who cannot use money to buy DC.

Like seriously, if there would be an option to buy the newest reward, Frostscythe III (a BiS Ice weapon) for 500 DC, why should one do the challenge? Because it is challenging? Or maybe I just spend 2,50 € and skip it entirely to get the reward. It's these kinds of microtransactions that no one likes. What you are proposing is just that one would have to pay a lot more to get the items. It is not as beneficial as you think.

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Giving them BiS items is just a giant middle finger to people who have put in the time and effort to grind through the inn for good gear.

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Would be a big fan of including catalysts and customs in DC packages, the current packages feel a little lackluster bc I don't particularly like the items included from a cosmetic sense and I think catalysts could really be a good bonus.

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In my opinion, I see no harm in putting bonus items in 20k DC package. Disagreeing to this expensive package having good items is like disagreeing to the DmK, EUD, Grove Tender, and Sun God set which are good in their way (not even surpassing the Inn items).

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It seems like your enitre argument is centered around the fact that it devalues the items you get from the Inn. With this logic, many people should be pissed about the recent changes to potion levelling and DM accessory grinding no? Since it completely devalues the months if not years of hard work taken to get the potions and DM gear to max level. This is a much bigger middle finger to the older players who grinded it out if you ask me. To my knowledge, I haven't seem anyone hate on that change and if anything, both potion levelling and DM accessory grinding take up a SIGNIFICANTLY larger amount of time than grinding for Inn gear, so why is it that people are fine with devaluing 2 of the grindiest aspects of the game (which are also BiS items mind you) but not Inn items? This seems like cherrypicking.

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The very recent Kitsune and Wolfwing challenges only gave purely cosmetic rewards. Did that stop anyone from doing those challenges? So yes, your sarcastic statement is actually true. People who are interested do the challenges because it is challenging and not because of the rewards. People who enjoy these challenges still get the satisfactory kick out of it and on top of that, occasionally, a completely FREE BiS item that those who are not interested in the challenges have to pay $50 for if they want it. Both camps get their own cake and eat it. Is that not a win for both sides?

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It seems like your enitre argument is centered around the fact that it devalues the items you get from the Inn. With this logic, many people should be pissed about the recent changes to potion levelling and DM accessory grinding no? Since it completely devalues the months if not years of hard work taken to get the potions and DM gear to max level. This is a much bigger middle finger to the older players who grinded it out if you ask me. To my knowledge, I haven't seem anyone hate on that change and if anything, both potion levelling and DM accessory grinding take up a SIGNIFICANTLY larger amount of time than grinding for Inn gear, so why is it that people are fine with devaluing 2 of the grindiest aspects of the game (which are also BiS items mind you) but not Inn items? This seems like cherrypicking.