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9/10/2021 21:33:15   
  Peachii

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Verlyrus:
Book 3: The Awakened Depths: The Descent!

Hey there, heroes!

This week, we return once more to Book 3's main story!



After trying to convince the DragonLords of Dragonsgrasp to aid you in your endeavor to close the Northlands rift, they told you that they would not act without the direction of their mysterious benefactor: The Great One. And there is only one way to gain an audience with The Great One: via the Speaker, Galanoth!

In this week's quest, follow Galanoth as you and your allies make your way into the heart of the mountain...

Head over to Book 3 Dragonsgrasp and visit your faction camps to play the latest chapter of the story: The Descent!



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DF AQW  Post #: 1
9/11/2021 1:03:12   
Primate Murder
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I haven't played MechQuest, so... any ideas on what two-headed dragon (because there clearly are two voices) could be the Great One?

On a side note, I really enjoyed both the lore of Dragonslayers and the snips of Dialogue between Galanoth and the gang.
AQ DF  Post #: 2
9/11/2021 1:56:56   
Flabagast
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@Primate Murder
I don't recall any Great Dragons being in Mechquest. The closest we got to those were the Dragonoids and the Shards of the Dragon Heart (which were supposedly Mechquests counterpart of the Elemental Orbs). I suspect they'll be new to us, though their names should be familiar.

spoiler:

Speaking of, I do wonder why they referred to the Hero's Dragon as an old friend. At fist I thought they might've have been talking about Dolaas, but that would mean the Great One is SUPER old. Like really really really super old. I don't know how established the lore around the Great Dragons is in Dragonfable, but I assume that each belongs to a special lineage, as seems to be the case with Cryozen and Akriloth. So maybe that means that our Dragon and Fluffy weren't the first two; that the Great One was referring to a previous Destroyer? But then that would beg the question, why would this supposedly benevolent and wise Great Dragon be friends with the entity prophecised to destroy Lore?? Most curious...

I also really liked the dialogue between Galanoth and Ostromir. Galanoth certainly knows loss himself and it was nice to be able to see him relate to the Golden Hand's struggles.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 3
9/11/2021 3:55:15   
Vaalirus
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^
spoiler:


We were told by the Avatars that much like the Great elemental dragons, Fluffy and Draco eventually will be reborn upon death.

So there are potentially two possibilities here


The Great One, (can we just call them Genokratos at this point or we gotta wait till we actually see them?), is so old to the point they are among one of the only Great Dragons to never have died and was aware of both Drahr'Hatir's and Drahr'Dolaas' existence and even befriended them before they did their thing. Which also might mean The Great One does have some big exposition to dump on Draco and Fluffy's heritage and among other things. Another possibility might lay in the fact is that the Great One knew Dolaas through dreams. We already know that the Great One can communicate with others through dreams so it might be possible they are powerful enough to reach and commune with the IE dragons even if they've never spoken with them directly. Although if that were the case I doubt they be as confused to find that Draco isn't the friend they've known.

Or at some point Fluffy and Draco, or just Draco, had hatched on Lore at some unknown point in time and was alive long enough to befriend the current Great Earth Dragon, in a time the Prophecy was far away from happening, before dying and being reborn as an egg and in spite of being rebirthed the core essence of the World Destoryer lingered well enough for the GO to be able to recognize them as their friend but also kind of not. I find this possibility more likely and it does sort of fit in with one of the Lorian poems in the Libraseum

< Message edited by Vaalirus -- 9/11/2021 4:25:49 >
DF  Post #: 4
9/11/2021 6:51:23   
Dratomos
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spoiler:

So in Maleurous storyline we get some Exalted lore and in the main story we will get lore from the IE dragons? Very interesting.

I was also pleased how Vilmor was mentioned here as the previous speaker. And how Gal and Ostromir spoke during the quest (that is a wonderful addition to the quests). These kinds of attentions to detail makes this story so good.
DF  Post #: 5
9/11/2021 9:47:12   
Rookiebatman
Member

How do I access this current quest if I'm not all caught up on I haven't started book 3 (or is that even possible)?

< Message edited by Rookiebatman -- 9/11/2021 10:05:21 >
Post #: 6
9/11/2021 11:33:11   
Dratomos
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@Rookiebatman: You can't. But by going to Book 3 in your Journal, you can Access the Timeline of Book 3 which helps you to navigate through the story and where you need to go to caught up.
DF  Post #: 7
9/11/2021 11:35:45   
Rookiebatman
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But don't I need to do like, practically everything to get caught up?
Post #: 8
9/11/2021 11:38:28   
Dratomos
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No, just the blue one in the middle, which is titled End of Magic. Doing everything else does help you to understand the bigger picture, but there isn't anything locked for you if you haven't done the other questlines.
DF  Post #: 9
9/12/2021 15:22:37   
Rookiebatman
Member

Why is the game set up in such a way that current events are completely closed to new players? That's really frustrating.
Post #: 10
9/12/2021 16:04:09   
Laeon val Observis
Member
 

Because that would be putting the cart before the horse. Sure, you can try to justify that the enemies are easy since their data is already in the forums somewhere and that wars do that on release till its end. However, having no limiters on quest access, especially storyline ones, means you'll miss out on relevant stuff because you tried to avoid the tough segments, whether they be puzzles or battles. While the drops in story mode can swing between situational to actually useful, item rewards are item rewards still, and the quest's location in the chronology means that you have to be at a certain level to actually use the rewards than just exp and gold (in this quest's case, the minimum level of the drop is 40). If you want to know what'll happen if you access story content without the locks DF has, try going AQ and not complain.
DF AQW  Post #: 11
9/13/2021 5:32:27   
Dratomos
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Why is the game set up in such a way that current events are completely closed to new players? That's really frustrating.


I mean, doesn't it make sense though? It's a game that has a story and it opens the more you play it and go forward in the storyline? If you play a story-based game, why would you want to start at the end of the game (or near end, who knows how far we are in the Book 3 storyline).

I also don't quite understand why would you want to play the newest quest if you have no idea what is going on, who those people in the quest are and where your character currently is.

Wars and Inn at the Edge of Time are accessible to all players, doesn't matter where you are in the game.
DF  Post #: 12
9/13/2021 21:03:49   
Rookiebatman
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I also don't quite understand why would you want to play the newest quest if you have no idea what is going on, who those people in the quest are and where your character currently is.


Are there rewards or loot drops that can only be gained when an event is new, not when you're going back and playing it on the timeline? I've looked at the pages of the DF Encyclopedia for some of the old events from Book 1, and it seems like a lot of them have rewards that are crossed out because those rewards are no longer in play for the "archived" version of the quest. If I'm misunderstanding how that works, then I guess you're right that it isn't important to play the current mission (although it's not really that much different from someone tuning in to whatever episode of a TV show is currently airing instead of starting from the beginning, especially if they want to discuss the events of the story with other people). But if there are things you can only get by playing it when it's fresh, then it doesn't seem fair that those rewards are only available to people who have been playing since January 2019 (or people who do an insane amount of catching up very quickly). There are plenty of other online games with progressive storylines that still let new players jump into the current event even if they're not up to speed on what's going on, so they can have a chance at getting some of the rewards.
Post #: 13
9/13/2021 23:32:01   
Laeon val Observis
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Not in this game. At least, not outside of wars, monthly DC items, and seasonals. Even then, those are becoming exceedingly rare. The monthly DC items alone is starting a trend that they are becoming seasonal, with new additions per re-release (that new scythe that becomes swagger the more gold you give it, wasn't there last year. Only the plundering sword was the recurring weapon, though it didn't appear last year for some Nature weapons without specials).

< Message edited by Laeon val Observis -- 9/14/2021 0:01:09 >
DF AQW  Post #: 14
9/14/2021 7:55:32   
Dratomos
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quote:

Are there rewards or loot drops that can only be gained when an event is new, not when you're going back and playing it on the timeline? I've looked at the pages of the DF Encyclopedia for some of the old events from Book 1, and it seems like a lot of them have rewards that are crossed out because those rewards are no longer in play for the "archived" version of the quest. If I'm misunderstanding how that works, then I guess you're right that it isn't important to play the current mission. But if there are things you can only get by playing it when it's fresh, then it doesn't seem fair that those rewards are only available to people who have been playing since January 2019 (or people who do an insane amount of catching up very quickly).


I think you have misunderstand how DragonFable operates. It's not similar to AQW, AQ or other free-to-play MOBA.

DF doesn't have events in the same way that many f2p games have. It's story-based game that moves forward like any other single-player game that is story-focused (aka after you have finished one quest, you move to the next one). So we don't have an event going on right now, the newest release is part of the Proclamation Story arc. Which means it is accessible to all players whenever they have progressed enough in the story.

The only events we have are Wars. And those drop Defender's Medals (that you can use to get new gear) and they are the only reward that goes away after the War event has ended. And nowadays the wars are part of the main story and are accessible after you get there. If the War is ongoing currently, you can join in to farm Defender's Medals, no matter if you have progressed enough in the story.

Even if I talk about story, there are currently many story arcs going on. The newest release is part of the main story, End of Magic and the War that just ended was part of the Maleurous storyline.

Some rewards have been locked away (aka are RARE), that were part of the wars. But dev team has had a lot of changes during these 15 years of DF and that isn't the custom anymore and hasn't been in years. So need to worry you would miss on any rewards by not getting to jump to the newest quest. It will still have the same rewards accessible when you will get there. So if you see that some rewards aren't available anymore from some old Book 1 quest, no need to worry. DF was different game 10+ years ago.

Like Laelon said, DC items and seasonal items are not available all the time, but they rarely become RARE (aka completely unaccessible).

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(although it's not really that much different from someone tuning in to whatever episode of a TV show is currently airing instead of starting from the beginning, especially if they want to discuss the events of the story with other people)


I mean yeah, but isn't it hard to discuss the events of the story if you have no idea who those people are, where they are, what they are doing, what their backstory and current motivation is? Even if you see Galanoth in the preview, he is the only Book 1 -era character in the newest quest.

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There are plenty of other online games with progressive storylines that still let new players jump into the current event even if they're not up to speed on what's going on, so they can have a chance at getting some of the rewards.


I mean yeah, but that was one of DF's biggest criticisms. Because you could jump to the story anytime without doing previous story arcs, it became really messy and hard to keep track when everything happened. With the additions of Timelines and streamlining the story to be more cohesive, it helps a lot for the player to understand what's going on when you need to do the quests in specific order. And since the rewards stay in the quest, there is practically no reason for player to play the newest quest.

< Message edited by Dratomos -- 9/14/2021 7:59:58 >
DF  Post #: 15
9/14/2021 9:49:54   
Rookiebatman
Member

Okay, well that's good to know. I guess it doesn't really matter then, I'll just keep playing through Book 1 at my own pace.
Post #: 16
9/16/2021 0:55:16   
spirit of greed
Member

spoiler:

Can't help but be disappointed with the ending, i expected to see the Great Ones before the ending or at least a silhouette. Felt like a better cliffhanger ending
DF AQW  Post #: 17
9/16/2021 3:47:31   
Laeon val Observis
Member
 

^ No need to be too spoiled. All good things come to those who wait. And may I remind you that the bigger the content needing to be released, the more time our small dev community needs to make sure things don't go boom on implementation, which will also increase likelihood that it'll be delayed regardless of last minute hiccups or not. While the playerbase here is understanding because quality of releases justify the delays, there's only so much that any human being could tolerate before patience is tested, so if I were you I'd rather not put more on the dev's plate right now.

< Message edited by Laeon val Observis -- 9/16/2021 3:53:48 >
DF AQW  Post #: 18
9/16/2021 10:31:28   
spirit of greed
Member

I don't think a silhouette is too much. All i'm saying is that the endig was underwhelming.
DF AQW  Post #: 19
9/16/2021 16:59:19   
Laeon val Observis
Member
 

How about trying to immerse in the hero's perspective rather than just ours? It's pretty clear that the Great One is highly reserved a Great Dragon, so leaving it up to the imagination is the better course than a teaser of a silhouette (which btw has already been used quite a lot in Twitter previews).
DF AQW  Post #: 20
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