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4/10/2012 10:46:24   
drinde
Member

(Maybe) Suggested before, but by who, credit goes, no matter.

Get 1 Skill Point per 2 LVs. No more MAX SKILL SPAM.

Tear me down now. :P
DF MQ Epic  Post #: 576
4/10/2012 10:49:56   
Ranloth
Banned


 That'd mean a buff to current skills as we'd be lacking half of them! XD And you're hurting innocent players. D:
AQ Epic  Post #: 577
4/10/2012 10:50:55   
drinde
Member

Innocent? We are all blood-crazy soldiers in the field of war, butchering people regarding whether they represent our alignment. :P
DF MQ Epic  Post #: 578
4/10/2012 10:52:55   
Ranloth
Banned


 Y U PICK ON ME?! D:

I'd say enhancements idea is good, but my view might be biased as it's my suggestion.. xD Hence why I need more opinion from others. :P
AQ Epic  Post #: 579
4/10/2012 11:32:31   
drinde
Member

Add a STR Requirement to Reroute?
DF MQ Epic  Post #: 580
4/10/2012 11:38:12   
Ranloth
Banned


 No! That's too much, it restricts builds. Malf has it already so not needed. It wont matter to TLMs but Str TMs are meh; strong but boring. :3
AQ Epic  Post #: 581
4/10/2012 15:44:10   
Joe10112
Member

What would you guys think if we changed Static's Cooldown to only 1 turn?

Really. Buff Static a little more, from 60->29 is too much, maybe have max out at like 40, and then change it so that Static's Cooldown is only 1 turn.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 582
4/10/2012 15:47:00   
Ranloth
Banned


 Even with old CH skill tree, this'd be a bit too much (less? o.o), 1 turn is really nothing. 2 is fine, with current and old skill tree. If you suggest making it 1 turn cooldown, you're looking for nerfing the skill down, not buffing it as it makes no sense - get lower cooldown and more power? You can use it more often, twice as quick, so then appropriate cap would be 15%. :3
AQ Epic  Post #: 583
4/10/2012 15:53:07   
Rayman
Banned


 Joe: From 60 to 29% ??? Lol No Just from 44-45% to 29%(30%)
AQW Epic  Post #: 584
4/10/2012 16:37:49   
Stabilis
Member

Balancing Static Charge for all build types:

Static Charge cannot fail. Static Charge does not involve Strike. Static Charge does not improve with Strength. Static Charge needs better percentage conversions.

I would say no more than 20 energy per charge at the best for a level cap player.
AQ Epic  Post #: 585
4/10/2012 16:42:07   
Mr. Black OP
Member

^
20 would work good, with my old STR CH I used to get 17 with the occasional 16 or 18, now I get 16 with the occasional 15 or 17.
Maybe a fixed gain?
Lv 1- 3 Energy
Lv 2- 6 Energy
Lv 3- 8 Energy
Lv 4- 10 Energy
Lv 5- 12 Energy
Lv 6- 14 Energy
Lv 7- 16 Energy
Lv 8- 17 Energy
Lv 9- 18 Energy
Lv 10- 19 Energy
If the attack misses you still receive the energy.
Epic  Post #: 586
4/10/2012 16:45:06   
Ranloth
Banned


 Hmm, that could definitely be not abused in any way and training it would be necessary for proper gain. Fact it always gives it back would be good enough, but I'd assume 3 turns cooldown then as opposed to 2 turns now? As players would probably stop at Lvl 7, majority I'd say unless you want it exact Energy. And you always get it so it shouldn't be a problem; plan your 'spending' rather than spam same thing over and over. :D
AQ Epic  Post #: 587
4/10/2012 17:14:32   
Stabilis
Member

Does anyone find it funny that with 25-29 Str damage and max Static Charge that I have enough of a score to receive only 18 energy?

It looks like I would need about 34-40 Str damage just to get 20. That looks broken to me.
AQ Epic  Post #: 588
4/10/2012 17:26:31   
rayniedays56
Member

The old Static Charge guys, before the first nerf on it, was 55% I believe. Then it was nerfed to 55% at only 80% damage, then it was nerfed to 44% at 100% damage, then nerfed to the current, and most horrible, of 29%. I liked the 55% at 80% damage nerf. A 16-20 strength Cyber Hunter could gain back 18-20 energy.


A quick example...lol



16-20 (say it hits at 20)

take 20 and add the hit of the weapon (im using 34)


20+34=54

80% of 54=43.2=43


55% of 43=23.65

24 energy gained back. :D I liked this so much because it didnt restrict cybers on the strength that they need now.


Seriously...I have 10-12+32 for my strength and primary, and I gain back 11 energy... :/ kinda...useless...except for maybe an emp...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 589
4/10/2012 17:56:02   
Joe10112
Member

I'm suggesting 1 turn cooldown due to all those pesky blocks.

And I'm suggesting a buff for it because...well, it needs a buff. Way too low right now. I can gain like 13 EP back on hit. Enough for a measly DM or an EMP. Not even enough for a Malfunction or a Heal.

And yes, it was 0.45, my bad. It was 0.6 at 0.8 weapon damage = 0.45 static charge.

And now it's 0.29. I suggest raise maximum back up to around 0.40 or so, and then reduce cooldown to only 1 turn, in case of blocks and stuff. Or, buff it to 0.35 or something and have it be a passive/unmissable skill.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 590
4/10/2012 17:58:15   
Ranloth
Banned


 Or.. make it old CH skill tree with 60% return and 2 turns cooldown. Was good enough, return was much higher and could be blocked but return was higher, that's the key point. With 60%, you could get at least 20 Energy easily without investing a lot in Strength. It wasn't OPed with old tree so changing it would be pointless unless you mean Void's idea - Energy return even if blocked and I believe it was a bit lower %s but always returns.
AQ Epic  Post #: 591
4/10/2012 18:21:54   
Frost Snake
Member

@trans. i have 47 energy and i malf whic leaves me with 17 i then use cheapshot i now have 7 i then use static and i have 22 energy. its not 29% of the damage dealt its 29% of your max energy i think. since even when i hit a 3 i go from 7 to 22 same with when i hit a 55 i still go from 7 to 22 :p

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AQW Epic  Post #: 592
4/10/2012 18:52:54   
Arevero
Member

Frost rayniedays56 i think posted a message about that, static is about your entire damage(Base+weapon). It may be a coincidence, but the Static description does not work that way. :)

Now static remake:

Either one of these 2: LUST or 1-cooldown

LUST:Depending on your weapon damage (EG-34wep-max(22%)=8ep

Lv and %
1 -4
2 -6
3 -8
4 -10
5 -12
6 -14
7 -16
8 -18
9 -20
10-22

1-Cooldown:depending only on BASE STR amount(EG=15-18dmge-max(85%)=13-15ep.

Lv and %
1 -64
2 -67
3 -69
4 -70
5 -72
6 -75
7 -78
8 -80
9 -83
10-85

It may need a few twicks to make it a bit more correct, so i hope you can give me some advices in changing it, if you think it's fine, post a reply so i know it doesn't need a change.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 593
4/10/2012 19:06:38   
Frost Snake
Member

true.

and off topic 8th on the daily 2vs2 :D


hmm so i get a 15 energy gain even though i have 20-24.+34

< Message edited by Frost Snake -- 4/10/2012 19:40:42 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 594
4/10/2012 20:09:55   
rayniedays56
Member

@ Frostsnake...


Lets see :D


Lets say you hit at 22 of the 20-24


thats 22+34=56


29% of 56=16.24=16 energy regained...kinda pathetic since you have nice strength...


With the old 44% it would have been 24.64=25


at the 55% it would have been (the 55% be4 the 80% damage to it)=30.8= 30 energy gained back


So, the nerf did this :)


Went from 31 energy regained, to 25, now to 16
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 595
4/10/2012 20:16:52   
Frost Snake
Member

yeah i know its pathetic :s but i still have a good build and im good with it

1 field medic 1 cheapshot 1 emp
9 plasma armour 10 static charge 1 defense matrix
0 multishot 9 malfunction 0 venom strike
0 plasma grenade 0 massacre 0 shadow arts.

79 hp
47 energy
63+24 str
40+24 dex
40+23 tech
35+6 support
AQW Epic  Post #: 596
4/10/2012 20:19:08   
rayniedays56
Member

wow...that is a VERY high malfunction... :?



Ever thought of improving your build? :D Just asking...I have never seen that high if a malf :P
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 597
4/10/2012 20:21:13   
Frost Snake
Member

uhm ive only had this build for 9 hours :p and ive goten 111 2vs2 wins with it :p

im only keepin git to win the daily 2vs2 and 1vs1 then im going back to my massacre build.

do you know a good build a level 31 could use?


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AQW Epic  Post #: 598
4/10/2012 20:22:48   
rayniedays56
Member

:D OF course :) I am a building awesomnist lol...


Just go ahead and post that you need a build...a new thread and while I go out to dinner, I will be making you several builds :D
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 599
4/10/2012 20:34:53   
Frost Snake
Member

thanks :D
AQW Epic  Post #: 600
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