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IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/5/2011 13:46:05)

@BlueKatz Nerf our hybrid armor? Are you serious our only defence? Man you dont know balance at all.



Light Stridr -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/5/2011 16:07:41)

@Isaiah
Personally, I would move Hybrid to tier 2 or 3, it is similar to reroute- everybody uses it, but TMs have to go through bludgeon, which is unused by the majority of mages.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/5/2011 16:21:20)

I agree with Lightstdr [again] accept bludgeon even at level 1 wins many fights and is a cheap physical attack that hits hard.



Light Stridr -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/5/2011 16:51:11)

But Jehannum, Bludgeon is a class-specific, so battle mages dont use it.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/5/2011 16:59:21)

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So, with a bunch of easy people, you cannot use that as "Beating STR mercs." And god, of course I can;t do a lot on Atmo Smasher, I had 7-9+20+3 damage. What is 46% of that? Assuming strike was 31, 31*0.46=14.26(14-15). Drained damage was 14. Now I use a str build, and use it specifically for Stunning and Atom Smash and Bunker Buster.


its not by strikes its by how much damage u would do the enemy had no defense
lets say u have 120 strength
30-36 +32 from ur weapon
thats 62-68 damage if the enemy had 0 defense or resistance
62 X 0.46 = 28.52
68 X 0.46 = 31.28
mathematically u should hit energy drain between 28 and 31 if its rounded down
if u were doing 31 i asume he had high defense/res cutting out about 20-30 damage



Lectrix -> Mercenaries are overpowered (4/6/2011 2:45:08)

They're destroying my Level 32 Tech Mage, and ripping apart my poor Level 27 Bounty Hunter! Can't you people see what's happening?!? They have so many Builds that are overpowered that I can't even come up with a decent counter-Build against them, let alone all three Classes! For Pete's sake, DO SOMETHING!

I want to know: Why are Mercs getting away with all of their overpowered Builds? Why is nothing being done to stop them? Should something be done to stop them? And if so, what should be done to stop them?

(And yes, this was part of my first post for a new Thread)


Merged topics. You can continue the discussion about balancing Mercenaries in this thread. Thanks! ~Ashari



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mercenaries are overpowered (4/6/2011 5:53:27)

i usually start my day with some 1v1 on the arcade, knowing that the first few fights are all gonna be str mercs with maul, berzerker and cyber Shillelagh
so im doing my 1v1 and wow, 3 fights, 3 strength mercs with maul, berzerker and cyber Shillelagh. just nolifing it for as many cheap wins as possible.



Lectrix -> RE: Mercenaries are overpowered (4/6/2011 16:14:53)

Really, I'm thinking about quitting ED unless Mercs are nerfed soon. Why aren't the Devs doing anything?!? Can't they see that Mercs are getting out of control?!? Even Mercs are starting to agree now; the only people who could possibly argue that Mercs aren't overpowered are Mercs who don't care about balance.

Update after Update, and Mercs continue to dominate. "Waaaah, there's no non-Varium St. Patrick's Day Maul!" Boohoo. Varium Mercs got Cyber Sheleighly, so quit complaining or buy Varium. I'm sick and tired of seeing Mercs as is. "More non-Varium Mauls please". Ha! The most powerful non-Varium Class asking to be more powerful? C'mon.



Deadly PoisoN -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 16:53:40)

No class in the entire game is supposed to be able to kill you in 2 turns,this without you ever getting a chance to even attack.I pity the people that still use str bounties,it's time to move on ladies and gents,smoke+massacre WAS strong but it's out the door now.I kill off founder str bounties about as easily as i kill lvl27 tech mages,it's almost funny.Don't even talk about tech mages,their chance of beating me is mega slim,and if they don't go first then that chance goes out the door too.

Mercenaries are HEAVILY overpowered,this is the reason i abandoned my original character and i'm now the proud owner of a very unique bounty that uses a special tank build with my own unique variations.I can literally adapt to any situation from EMP enemies to smoke+str,they all perish.

But str mercs CANNOT BE BEATEN UNLESS you block or hit higher than them,which is rarely ever the case.Maul ignores defense and can stun,then you have a ridiculous follow up move that can take out anywhere from 50-100hp+ with enough str.

Then there's tank mercs with gamma bot+bunker and strong aux,once again these have solid defenses and can switch armour types for no cost,need i even venture further than this?

All you mercenaries reading this can know a few things,and trust me you won't like what i say next and you'll feel the reality setting in and then you won't oppose.Do you ever get bored of mindlessly spamming the same old maul...Let's hope for a stun...berzerker oh yay i win!If you can do that for even 1 day then you must be the most boring or bland person.Or what about bunker and aux etc?If you play as a merc currently it's only cause you know that if you chose a REAL class,as in fair then you'd be fighting NPC'S because you can't craft a simple set of strategies,but rather rely on the FEED ME PLZ manual.

Bounties and mages are having the real fun,we actually get to play a game,we aren't stuck on a repeat cycle of ''open my mouth for me,now feed me plz''[:D]

Str merc isn't a skillful build,ONE person was skillful and a field full of sheep decided to follow,same goes for heal loop and for str+smoke.


I find that if i craft my own build in ED then i'm at my happiest,like with my current build.I'm thrashing almost any tech mage and bounty no matter what lvl or gear,i'm giving founders a hard time and if they win it was normally by a crit or they had llike 2-10hp left.I don't mind the mercs,if people want to play a brain dead build where you use 2 moves for an entire session then let them.I'm having a ball with my bounty,they can't say they're having nearly as much fun so i'm fine.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 17:59:55)

unfortunately they are having the most fun in their opinion and everytime someone gets mad or complains they......achieve a heightened state of pleasure*



edwardvulture -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 18:02:57)

Merc 5 bonus tanks are also Oped TOO much tech.



He Who Lurks -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 18:52:09)

Maybe we shouldn't have nerfed heal looper or smoke BH's in the first place. Balance has become even more majorly skewed. Mercenaries used to be the weakest and now they're at the top.



Lectrix -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 19:55:33)

@Above: Not in 2v2; Mercs have always dominated 2v2 (*grumble* but nobody listened to me...)



Zean Zapple -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 20:47:04)

Since so many of these threads are popping up, perhaps we should have a balance section of the forums?


~Zean



edwardvulture -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 21:04:09)

It's strength and support. It would be best to nerf them but that would cut into the devs $$$$$ Most people pay 2 kill in 2 turns.



Wraith -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 22:18:59)

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So, with a bunch of easy people, you cannot use that as "Beating STR mercs." And god, of course I can;t do a lot on Atmo Smasher, I had 7-9+20+3 damage. What is 46% of that? Assuming strike was 31, 31*0.46=14.26(14-15). Drained damage was 14. Now I use a str build, and use it specifically for Stunning and Atom Smash and Bunker Buster.


its not by strikes its by how much damage u would do the enemy had no defense
lets say u have 120 strength
30-36 +32 from ur weapon
thats 62-68 damage if the enemy had 0 defense or resistance
62 X 0.46 = 28.52
68 X 0.46 = 31.28
mathematically u should hit energy drain between 28 and 31 if its rounded down
if u were doing 31 i asume he had high defense/res cutting out about 20-30 damage


Strike=31 means that 8+20+3=31. JEEZ. I don't have 120 strength, I have 34



Sensi12 -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 22:50:05)

HAHA you think str merc oped? Bro u got the whole thing mixed... first of all mages are under oped and merc is fine were they are. i understand u lvl 27s cant beat them. and alsobh are oped.their shadow artsmake str mercs a breeze.give me 1 reason why bhs are under oped when their shadow arts make em lucky all the time

EDIT: @Isaiah the mage IKR they think balence is what makes it easier for them to kill

I have merged your posts. Please use the edit button rather then double posting. ~Dax



Lectrix -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 23:47:18)

@Above: Lol, I'm guessing you yourself are a Strength Merc. After all, Strength Mercs are the ones who always say, "Ahhhhhh, Shadow Arts is overpowered! Nerf it!" Funny; no one else seems to have a problem with Shadow Arts (anymore), but everyone has problems with Strength Mercs. Coincidence?

@Isaiah: I don't know about you, but I say Hybrid Armor is better than Shadow Arts. It's more reliable, and it sends Smoke Builds down the drain at lower Levels. So if you Mercs can STILL complain about Shadow Arts, why can't we say that Hybrid Armor should be nerfed?



Wraith -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/6/2011 23:56:23)

Look, let's just stop here.

Let us resolve this issue. Strength Mercenaries are OP. They can 2-hit people without letting them put up a shield. STR Smoke-Massacre Bounty Hunters at least give you a chance to put up a shield. Tank Mercs, Bot Bot Aux Pistol Heal RageBunkerbuster they win. They are OP too. SUpport mercs: Aux crit multi crit. Don't nerf them, let us find a way AROUND that and find better builds!



BlueKatz -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 1:29:57)

Mer is OP, not just STR mer, str mer is just annoying, not so OP compare to other build
just face it, Mer is king of 2vs2, raider of 1vs1, tank freak, stat abuser... what other title can I give it? I'm really tired of them, if ED can balance those thing maybe I can play more, but everytime I get in I have to be mad just because of some freaking random luck or some OP builds I can't beat

And yeah, maybe people will suggest me to change my build or whatever, but I just enjoy to try around with creative build, sucking in an OP kinda make me bored, I pick ED up and play for a while then I have to put it down, so much pressure



Lectrix -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 1:38:42)

@BlueKatz: Great minds think alike [;)]

If only the Devs could see things from our point of view...



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 6:11:50)

its always the same, I look forward to a few hours playing and mercs ruin 1v1 for me, then ruin 2v2.
I love fighting pro tech mages cause it's likely I'll lose, but I can see they are having to think about every move and it becomes
a battle of wits with some luck thrown in to spice it up. against mercs, you need astronomical luck to even make it a contest.



voidance -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 6:31:22)

Ive converted to the Dark side, Str merc is beast.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 11:43:25)

@Lectrix I am not a STR Merc so I dont complain about SA I believe its a ok skill.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mercenary's are overpowered (4/7/2011 11:49:58)

if a str merc cant two turn kill you, shadowarts is too OP :P



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