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Omni Avatar -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/27/2014 17:45:12)

It seems that Escherion will be playing an important role in the Chaos Lord saga finale. Like it was said before, there has been a lot of art about him including new armour, posters, featured in adds, etc. There was also a picture of him the the AQW Facebook page of him looking even more Chaoruppted. In this picture he looks like he has no free will at all, almost as if he was Chaoruppted X2. Maybe this means that the previous Chaos Lords will be returning as well and receiving stronger Chaos forms, yes even Alteon. Perhaps this could also mean that Drakath could be getting a "Super Chaos Form" (conceptual name).

I would like to make a point to one of the people that responded to my "Sepulchure's return" post and my AQW Zombies post. First of all, AQW Zombies is what would have happened if Drakath did not interfere between the battle of Sepulchure and King Alteon's battle. Meaning that all the events that occurred during AQW Zombies is what all the characters in the normal storyline are capable of (Gravelyn being the Champion of Light). Secondly, after Drakath is defeated it is possible that Sepulchure will return. Drakath was able to fully complete the wish Gravelyn made on Queen Lynaria's tomb (bringing back the actual Sepulchure) by returning the soul orb that he took from Sepulchure, during the battle between Sepulchure and King Alteon. For those of you who want to say that this was not part of the AQW storyline, this occurred BEFORE AQW Zombies in Doomwood Part 2. At the end of AQW Zombies, Drakath took back Sepulchure's soul orb and crushed it like he did in the battle scene in Swordhaven Undead. This means that Drakath probably still possesses that orb and he will probably give it up after he is defeated in the final battle.

Something that I would like to discuss is how the hero will be able to kill Drakath if he was originally un-killable during the Into Chaos event. Will we find a stronger vial of the mother of monsters? Will we use a powerful spell? Who knows? However something that many people have forgotten about is the Chaoruppted Locked. This sword can be purchased in /chaoswar and is very powerful against all Chaos creatures, with the exception of Drakath for some reason. In the description of the sword, it says that it will change form towards the final battle. Maybe this sword, once it changes form, will be the key to Drakath's defeat. There is also the possibility that it will transform into Drakath's Ex-Princess blade (his sword). For now the mystery behind this sword remains, but it should be soon revealed.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/27/2014 18:09:06)

There's no way we would beat him no matter what we use. It's pretty obvious Gravelyn is going to play a huge part in it. Even though AQWZombies or whatever wasn't canon we know she can hurt him. I'm guessing that if she can Artix can as well and may also play a big part in his defeat. Unless something big happens with us that provides enough power story-wise then I doubt we'll even put a dint in him. His power is beyond anything we've ever fought and he doesn't seem to care about anything at all besides the MoM. He toys with us every chance he gets and knows he can do whatever he wants.



Omni Avatar -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/27/2014 22:12:13)

The Mother of Monsters must play a really big part in the finale since Drakath went through all of this just in order to unlock the Chaos gate and free her.



301st Legion -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 3:17:17)

Omni Avatar The Mother of All Monsters is the patron of Drakath. She bestowed Chaos upon him and gave him title as the Avatar of Chaos. What more do you expect? Drakath owes the Mother of All Monsters. In turn of being granted absolute power over Chaos, this is his price to pay.



Axel459 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 13:15:24)

I just realized Friday the 13th is going to take place when 13th Lord of Chaos attacks. Escherion looks a little undead in this picture and Death is mentioned which seems a little odd so a powerful necromancer or Death seems likely for the 13th lord; Noxus, Sally, or as some of you seem to think the Seppy.



Lemonus -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 13:19:32)

Or maybe we'll actually die and Death decided to keep you in. Then we'll try to find a way to convince him that we're needed above.



bugattiboy91 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 14:12:20)

While I want this to be cool AE has a track record of dull/anticlimactic finales so I hope for awesomeness, but expect anything beyond mediocrity.



Neilandio -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 14:19:03)

@tomcekas2
Blade seems to be making weapons inspired in all 13 lords of chaos. Just check this other one.



thulsa doom -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 14:41:34)

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Or maybe we'll actually die and Death decided to keep you in. Then we'll try to find a way to convince him that we're needed above.

I think you're probably right, Lemonous. Drakath did say in the Cliffhanger cutscene that
spoiler:

he was going to kill the Hero



ShadowMoon -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 15:45:29)

i'm hoping when the chaorppter locked changes it doesn't loose its boosts(if anything the free player version should gets its boost raised from 5% to 100%) & that we'll have an option to get the original. like how they did it with the BoA.
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Even though AQWZombies or whatever wasn't canon we know she can hurt him.

wrong, it is cannon. once its been implemented into the game it becomes cannon.
THIS NOT AN ANIME BASED ON A MANGA OR VIDEO GAME, ITS AN MMO.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 16:00:09)

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wrong, it is cannon. once its been implemented into the game it becomes cannon.

The events never happened though. It's a What If scenario. It could be argued that the things that did happen only happened because of that specific situation and may not even be possible in our storyline.



ShadowMoon -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 16:04:39)

i count that as being what all "what if" storys are, parallel worlds. i wouldn't be surprised that after this thread loses its reason for existing & the second story starts that we end up going to multiple parallel worlds.



Alastair Q -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 16:12:03)

@ShadowMoon

(Tangent: It IS pronounced canon. Canon doesn't just appear in anime, it's also been recorded in Biblical literature, up to the Apocrypha.)

The events in AQWZombies are only remembered by Artix, Gravelyn and The Hero. Though they did experience the events, only those 3 have any recollection of them.
Could that play a factor in the final battles to come?



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 16:42:47)

I'm really hoping Artix, Gravelyn, and The Hero team up in the finale. Whether it's only to fight chaos monsters or take on Drakath himself. It looks like we'll at least be fighting Chaorrupted versions of the Lords of Chaos and I doubt measly little soldiers are going to be enough to stop them. The Finale has tons of potential to be amazing. I really hope AE does a good job with it.



Lemonus -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 16:53:32)

"Chaorrupted versions of the Lords of Chaos"

Wait, what?

I dunno, I expect to see some deus ex machina in there.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 17:09:55)

Ugh... I hate when people use deus ex machina. Just seems like that's what's used when something doesn't have a really good story and it wasn't thought out enough to have a satisfying ending. I pray that doesn't happen. I see it enough as is.



Jolan3000 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 18:53:11)

"Chaorrupted versions of the Lords of Chaos" Yes... that have no sense because they are already chaorrupted.
But i understand what you mean. We will face the 13 Lords of Chaos again but they will have more power. Well maybe not ALL the 13 Lords of Chaos... but we know that we will face Escherion again.
All the Lord of Chaos that are still alive, except of king Alteon. But maybe Drakath can returns Alteon from the death.
I'm not sure if Ledgermayne is still alive or not...
quote:

Drakath said:
"Ledgermayne was converted back into the raw mana from which he was made."

Maybe Drakath can make that Ledgermayne returns?



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 19:15:02)

One of the other artists had new versions of Xing & Xang and Vath as well. It seems a lot of people didn't like the armor but the Escherion in the picture isn't that much different from the original either.



Neilandio -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 19:27:33)

@Ryu
Which artist?



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 19:33:45)

Y2h52, Neilandio.
Xing & Xang
Vath



kreem -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 19:41:40)

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Drakath said:
"Ledgermayne was converted back into the raw mana from which he was made."

Maybe Drakath can make that Ledgermayne returns?


By "converted back" it meant it was made into mana, spread across the elemental plane and then possibly part of him changed into some other form of magic. A living thing cannot be re-made as it was even if you were to get those exact particles(of in this case mana) and then put them back together in the exact way it was before; he would have lost his memories and all that specifically made him the one and only Legdermayne. Once something has something like its brain destroyed you cannot bring it back no matter what.



Jolan3000 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 20:27:25)

^ That's the point. Drakath want a Ledgermayne that follow his orders. If the new Ledgermayne don't remember anything, maybe he will obey Drakath.



1black2knight3 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 20:32:17)

^Yup, maybe he'll just find some new insane person and then use their brain, or memories, or whatever it is that mana needs to be alive.
There's still the problem of collecting the mana from the elemental plane, but Drakath probably wouldn't have any issues with that.



Omni Avatar -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 20:56:18)

AQW Zombies is a "what if". However, all of the events that occurred (Gravelyn being the champion of light) ARE what the characters in the game are capable of. If everyone is so convinced that Gravelyn is not the Champion of light, then who is? No one else seems to have a better explanation for it, therefore you can't go knocking down other people's ideas. There is even a cut-seen in AQW Zombies that shows Gravelyn when she is little wielding light magic. This cut-seen shows what happened before Alteon's and Sepulchure's battle, thus revealing the identity of the Champion of Light being Gravelyn.

As for battling the previous 13 Lords of Chaos. It is possible but everyone needs to remember that there are still Chaos Lords, and Chaos Beast(s), that are MIA. Some of the Chaos Lords are bound to Chaos but have some control over it, similar to Desoloth and Kathool.

I believe that in the end, after Drakath opens the portal, the Mother of Monsters will stab Drakath in the back by stripping him of his Chaos Avatar capabilities. Even in Dragonfable Drakath was lied to and stabbed in the back so it is very possible that it occurs again.

I would like to bring up the fact, again, that there is much mystery behind the Celestial Egg. It was still possible that the hero could have had an explanation in the Mirror Realm storyline as to his/her destiny, and some explanation behind the Celestial egg.

There must be balance between Order and Chaos and maybe that is the hero's destiny in AQW. Maybe the hero is the Avatar of Balance, and the balance Beast is the Celestial Dragon. There seems to have been a lot of involvement of Mirror Drakath and the "element" of order. The significance to the story was almost important as Drakath and the "element" of Chaos. It would make sense the the Hero is the "Avatar" of Balance since there seems to be a lot of Balance in AQW. Good and Evil, Chaos and Order, Flesh (Nulgath) and Soul (Dage). Also, since the Celestial Dragon in the hero's opposite in the Mirror Realm, it would make sense that instead of being a human it is a Dragon. The plot of the game seems to include a lot of imbalance between Chaos and Order in their respective realms. So it seems very likely that the hero's duty would be to harness both the power of Order and Chaos to restore balance.

I propose that one of the items that should be available for the finale would be: Order and Chaos (class) or Avatar of Balance (Class). This would seem logical to call the class Avatar of balance since the hero almost has somewhat of an elemental Avatar authority.



Jolan3000 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/28/2014 20:58:58)

He created Ledgermayne once, so he can do it again, although it will not be the same Ledgermayne as before.



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