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10/17/2015 1:04:15   
Noobatron x3000
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I cant stand the build i wont lie and i could hardly argue when someone said i was biased so i ran the build to see what sort of win % i could pull off.

http://imgur.com/3oq4Yeb

Balanced build eh?
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10/17/2015 1:15:04   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 You got 146-15 in 2v2?

I find that hard to believe. Plus you got 30,000 EXP with 300 wins? That adds up to an average of 100 XP per win. Even if you're using XP boosters during power hour, that's still almost impossible.
Post #: 2
10/17/2015 1:18:32   
Noobatron x3000
Member

You can see the losses. Its a old account but yup the numbers are accurate.

People keep trying to tell me balance . No one understands builds like i do if i cant make it work its broken.

And i can often spot the builds that are far more powerful then they should be.

The mighty heal looper of beta, When the gamma bot came out and both moves had a seperate cool down that thing was god mode in the low levels you couldnt lose. The merc strength spam 2 hit KO build, The merc/tlm support build that they keep fixing then breaking again, The tm/bm strength build that they keep fixing then breaking again. Etc etc, This game has never been close to balanced to a acceptable level. Just more acceptable at some points then others.

I honestly think now the games in the worst place its ever been now balance wise, With flat out broken builds that are near unstoppable everywhere. And ranks rewarding the guys at the top of a tiny player base.

At least with enhancements everyone had the option to get them, They were bad but not as bad as ranks. And with enhancements there were enough players to balance it a little better.

There is very little right with omega sadly. And this is why the last server we have open is always so depressing to read the number.

< Message edited by Noobatron x3000 -- 10/17/2015 1:26:34 >
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10/17/2015 1:51:59   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 I'm sorry, I just find this very difficult to believe. How did you get so much EXP with so few wins/losses? It's almost mathematically impossible. You'd have to be fighting players an average of 2 levels above you almost every single battle during power hour and using XP boosts. If this was an old account, with at least some battles fought without power hour, it becomes even more improbable.

Aside from that, there are known and reliable counters to support TLMs, especially support TLMs without poison like the one depicted. MoB, Shadow Arts, high level Field Medic, energy drains (especially since you don't have a high level Frenzy), high HP builds, even shields. These options are also available to characters around your level. Your high win ratio is likely due to the inexperience of your opponents and, in some cases, their lack of upgraded equipment.

It is the presence or absence of reliable counter builds that determine whether a certain build is OP, not win ratio alone. Win ratio could simply mean that the player is exceptionally skilled.

< Message edited by Silver Sky Magician -- 10/17/2015 1:56:50 >
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10/17/2015 2:42:07   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Your level range isn't what most people are referring to when they say the build is broken. You should run it at the level range of 38+ or so where the large bulk of the playerbase is right now.

After burning like 5k credits on retraining over the past week or so I think I've found a TLM build that's actually hosting a very nice win rate and isn't a support build. I am 100% certain nobody else in the game has the same type of build I'm using. It's possible to find builds that aren't FotM but really I can see why the build I'm currently using isn't popular. It takes on average 15-20 turns to beat most level 40s with it.

Because of ED's nature of farming and whatnot, builds that are fast will always be more popular than slow win rate builds which already discourages a lot of possible variety. We need a way to really give merit to players who maintain very high win rates so that the playerbase is encouraged to expand their build options.
Epic  Post #: 5
10/17/2015 10:49:04   
Thylek Shran
Member

I have a low level support TLM too and he has the same win rate than Noobatron x3000īs character.
TLM support build starts to get OPed at level 5 when it can use of Artillery Strike.
Theoretically this build is OPed through the whole level range up to 40.
DF Epic  Post #: 6
10/17/2015 11:35:02   
8x
Member

At levels 1 to around 30, any decent player should be able to get a pretty decent win ratio. And since you said that your account is pretty old, I'm guessing that you got to about level 10-20 by doing NPCs and then you unleashed the support build on unsuspecting newbs in 2vs2.

Edit: Here is an example for you and it's not even a mercenary... http://goo.gl/LHB88k The extra 1vs1 losses are mostly because I got bored of 2vs2 and the 2vs2 losses start piling up when you get to 23+ levels. The character even has Daily Team Champion achievement.

< Message edited by 8x -- 10/17/2015 11:44:40 >
Epic  Post #: 7
10/17/2015 13:01:52   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Lol frenzy generator on just enough mana to force them to emp me while increasing my hp, Then immediately backup, and I'm using my multi again next turn/ aux.... aux , they attack . multi, Theire forced to heal or I've already killed them. I gen my mana back up high enough to multi. They emp. I backup, I aux, They attack or gen, I rage multi. They die.

Frenzy isn't necessary, poison is arguably worth it but max multi and backup are more important as with gen it makes it impossible for them to stop you around 2480 dmg in 4 hits.

Poison is worth it but not at this level there isn't the skill points.
Post #: 8
10/17/2015 14:35:54   
Thylek Shran
Member

The most low level characters today are alts of experienced players.
Alot of them are packed with promo gear and robots about which
a noob does not know about and cannot afford with credits.
A win rate of 90% in 1vs1 which is possible with support TLM has
something to mean when it does include pro opponents.
I just wonder about the 90% in 2vs2 as this is not really possible
today as alot strong BH dex builds rule 2vs2 also in lower levels.
When did you made those wins Noobatron x3000 ?
DF Epic  Post #: 9
10/18/2015 6:39:23   
.Sir Lazarus.
Member

Well... That does not matter. Most of that low level guys are so unexperienced that its silly. So basicaly give me any build and class anything and i guarantee that ill have 90% + with it.

AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
10/18/2015 7:15:18   
Satafou
Member

This isn't a post to try and make yourself look better than everyone lazarus, the topic is clearly about "TLM being Op'd". No one cares about old farts bragging on forums.
Post #: 11
10/18/2015 10:18:44   
Lord Machaar
Member

^ Savage.

On-topic:
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Anyone who has a level 40 account, and starts the game all over again with an alt, will do much much better in terms of everything I say, win ratio, inventory, etc... especially when you have the ability to
change your class at very low levels, granting you advantage in battles.
MQ Epic  Post #: 12
10/18/2015 11:12:45   
RaXZerGamingZ
Member

support is easy to beat , high hp and strenght , i am using support atm its pretty overpowerd
Post #: 13
10/18/2015 14:33:21   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 If I can consistently beat level 40 supports as a level 37 as long as they don't crit me 2-3 times which only happens maybe once out of every 6 matches or so then I really don't think they're that big of a deal.
Epic  Post #: 14
10/18/2015 14:38:13   
Therril Oreb
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 Discussion of balance issues are to be reported in the balance forum. And there is already an existing thread for discussing all classes separately. Link for TlM

~Locked Therril Oreb
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