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6/27/2013 23:16:11

Exploding Penguin
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So right now, focus really isn't that great if you want your bot to be an offensive tool, and lots of bots, such as the botanical hazards, can be used by no-focus to low-focus builds and still have great effects. This should buff focus builds a little bit more, but should still keep no-focus builds that rely on bot specials not too weak to the point that they can't use the bot special anymore.

Assault bots:
-Each focus level will add an extra 3% removed with cleanse.

Botanical Hazards:
-No focus starts at 50% bot damage instead of 60%
-Each focus level adds another 2%

Azrael's Borg:
-Base amount lowered from 65% to 55% on heart attack
-Each focus level will add an extra 3% removed with heart attack

Yeti:
-Focus levels 1, 3, and 5 will each increase chomp/exploding chomp's damage by an additional 2%
-Focus levels 2 and 4 will each cause the opponent's gun/aux to be removed for an additional turn
-0-Focus will remove the opponent's sidearm for 1 turn and the aux for 2, rather than 2 and 3 as the current

Bunny Bot:
-Focus Levels 1, 3, and 5 will each increase color blast's damage by an additional 2%
-Focus levels 2 and 4 will each cause the amount of turns which color blast lasts by 1
-Each focus level will add an additional specific color to the possible color set when an opponent is afflicted with color blast

Bio Borg:
-Each focus level increases the damage returned with thorns by 3%

Infernal Android:
-Each focus level increases the cap by 3%
-At focus level 5, the rate of damage increase is upgraded to 6% instead of 5%

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6/28/2013 0:06:39

Bloodpact
Member

I like them all except infernal which is plenty strong already, and a buff will lead to a serve nerf.

interesting idea indeed making it do tech abusers can't profit as much from 0 focus

Epic

Post #: 2

6/28/2013 2:51:38

Mother1
Member

I have to ask you why is it that you nerfed some bots at level 0 focus while others didn't receive nerfs at this focus level?

I noticed that you left the assault bot, bio borg, infernal android, and I believe the bunny bot alone at 0 focus (meaning they still remain as powerful as they are now) yet with focus increases they gain power where as the Azreal's borg, yeti's botainical hazards all got nerfs for focus 0.

With the Azreal's borg and yeti's at lower focus level they received nerfs and don't see the benefits without the nerfs you added until level 4 focus and the botanical hazard didn't get a buff from this change at all but a nerf a focus level 0-4 while focus 5 retains normal power.

But for this suggestion itself I don't support it.

Even though bots are suppose to be tools powered by focus buffing certain bots will undo nerfs that were don't for a reason or overpower other bots and focus once again while hurting none focus builds that are using bots with universal effects.

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 6/28/2013 3:37:47 >

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Post #: 3

6/28/2013 11:52:08

Exploding Penguin
Moderator

Assault bot, bio borg, and bunny bot are all pretty useless right now, only infernal android isn't, but it doesn't hit nearly as high as it used to given the severe damage reduction in focus.

I don't know how many times I've tried explaining this, but while azrael's borg was made to be the opposite of assault bots, it's easily stronger than it, This is why I nerfed it by a small amount at 0 focus, but its max effects increase at level 5 focus compared to its current effects.

Botanical hazards are simply one of the best bots right now and should get a nerf, mainly because the cumulative poison damage is normally higher than a rage with infernal android on turn 7-8 or so.

Yeti's were nerfed at 0 focus because its special core was way too useful at any focus level and its current existence renders low-strength support builds of many classes near useless. By increasing its max effect on high focus levels, focus tanks will receive an advantage over those classes that depend on luck such as support builds and strength builds with deadly aim.

Epic

Post #: 4

6/28/2013 12:24:58

Mother1
Member

@ exploding

The assault bot is actually very helpful when dealing with those debuff builds. Heck it even saved my a few times from those glass cannons TM who use extremely strong debuffs so I wouldn't call the assault bot useless. Also Like you told me with the Azreal's borg I will explain with the assault bot. Why do you think the nerfed it in the first place? because it was too useful. It made debuffs just about worthless, and it made and still makes many defensive tank builds you debuff a pain to deal with.

As for the Bunny borg worthless? I doubt that highly. at lower levels this bot is a gem I use one with my lower level alt which helps me in many battles so at that level it is all but worthless. As for higher levels it can be used to either draw out a skip from your opponent when used correctly or in other cases cause them to play out of their comfort zone which is very tactical and useful when used correctly. Just because at higher levels people tried to avoid the missile attack doesn't mean it is worthless.

Buffing the infernal android after it has been finally been brought back down to earth? Not a good idea. The bot can still hit good damage depending on the build that uses it. and it isn't just this bot that doesn't hit as much as it used to either. Remember all bots got the minus 7 damage nerf not just this bot. Plus remember the infernal android was never balanced to begin with it was vastly overpowered from the start

As for the bio borg that would be the only bot I could agree with you with that since there are now cores that help you avoid this bot's special however unless they change their no buffing of any kind of rare items policy I doubt this bot will get one.

But on another note what about the botantial borg, pyro fly, and gamma bot? I noticed you missed those from your list.

Epic

Post #: 5

6/28/2013 14:27:49

santonik
Member

Assault Bots:
This is truly a rare sight in this game. Little improvement would bring this back to the bot. You have to remember that the attacker get a lot more rage than a defensive player. Perhaps this explains why this bot is not popular. That's why I favor this proposal.

Botanical Hazards:
This was written in the past already. of this poison is a little too powerful and is able to use it again.
I do not care how this is being undermined. Hopefully, it happens quickly

Azrael's Borg:
This bot would be nice to see the battle as well. Special power Ability could also depend the Focus a little bit.

Yeti:
Mind This interesting proposal.

Bunny Bot:
It is a good suggestion. So I support your proposal.

Borg Bio:
Additional damage will be necessary. Thorn is pretty easy to get around. So I support your proposal.

Infernal Android:
This I would not change anything. This is already a good bot.
I say no to this proposal.

Epic

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