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7/19/2013 11:55:16   
Predator9657
Member

No reason why it shouldn't exist :D
Epic  Post #: 1
7/19/2013 12:16:41   
Mother1
Member

Not supported as there are already physical items that have the lucky strike core on it, as well as any sword without a passive can host this core.
Epic  Post #: 2
7/19/2013 12:21:53   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

if it is not rare i don't see why not
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
7/19/2013 12:26:14   
Dual Thrusters
Member

@mother1

2% is nothing, but 7% can almost cancel out Shadow Arts.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 4
7/19/2013 13:06:04   
Mother1
Member

@ dual thrusters

which will be turning into an active core just like all passive skill cores.
Epic  Post #: 5
7/19/2013 15:36:11   
Predator9657
Member

quote:

if it is not rare i don't see why not


It's seasonal rare so but it comes back annually.

@Mother
quote:

Not supported as there are already physical items that have the lucky strike core on it, as well as any sword without a passive can host this core.


Please don't argue with flawed logic.
Currently, (according to the wiki) the only sword with lucky strike 7% is the celtic cleaver which is an energy sword. All other swords can have a lucky strike 2% core inserted into them. Why should that mean there is anything wrong with having a physical sword with the lucky strike 7% core?

< Message edited by Predator9657 -- 7/19/2013 15:37:25 >
Epic  Post #: 6
7/19/2013 15:46:47   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Logically, there is nothing wrong with a physical version.

Humans don't always think logically though, and I for one can vouch for a few others by saying that sometimes promos are best left without a counterpart. This is because it limits the use of some OP promos (Celtic Cleaver is namely one of them; the 7% is vastly overpowered considering no-dex builds can abuse it for consistent non-blocked attacks), making them draw less attention to the masses and thus it won't get nerfed. There are also many other reasons.

Sadly, I don't support this.
Epic  Post #: 7
7/19/2013 15:56:34   
Predator9657
Member

quote:

Humans don't always think logically though


I agree, that:

quote:

sometimes promos are best left without a counterpart


does sound illogical.

If cc is allegedly "vastly op" how come no one complains about it?
Epic  Post #: 8
7/19/2013 16:35:34   
Mother1
Member

@ predator9657

Because no one has noticed anything overpowered about it yet that is why. Just because it has gone undetected doesn't mean it isn't out there. I can give a good example of overpowerness going unnoticed until a change was made.

Cyber hunter's static charge when it first came out was vastly overpowered in effect due to it being able to not only ignore all enemy defenses in effect, but give a large amount of energy back with only moderate strength.

However this went unnoticed because when the class first came out Tactical merc's were beating cyber hunters up so badly that the class itself was looked at as underpowered even though they had an overpowered move.

However the moment cyber hunter got it's plasma armor everyone started noticing how strong static charge was, and then the move was nerfed.

Now as it stands now the regular Celtic cleaver is abused by glass cannon TM using strength support since they have low dex to help get lower the chances of getting blocked. If a physical version comes out Bounty hunters would have the perfect combo to keep block chance at a low while having a physical primary that can remove up to 7% more block chance instead of the 2% they have now when striking.

So High smoke + physical Celtic cleaver + strike = High damage with lowest chance to block.
Epic  Post #: 9
7/19/2013 21:50:09   
Rayman
Banned


 Not Supported for above reason and because then people will ask for a physical frostbane, energy azrael bane Etc.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
7/20/2013 0:14:49   
Scyze
Member

Maybe you're new to EpicDuel or maybe you're not but you have to consider when this Sword will go permanently Rare. Frostbane went Rare on the 2010 Frysteland War and that Sword was available for 2 years only. That got replaced by the Frost Slayer in 2011.
How often do you see these promotional Weapons as a different damage type?

If it does manage to happen, all you'll likely see is a recolored Celtic Cleaver.

< Message edited by Scyze -- 7/21/2013 23:26:56 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
7/21/2013 21:54:30   
Mysterion.
Member

quote:

which will be turning into an active core just like all passive skill cores.

Lol, no.
Only class skills will be turned active, not skill cores.

Supported.
Epic  Post #: 12
7/21/2013 22:16:02   
Rayman
Banned
quote:

Lol, no.
Only class skills will be turned active, not skill cores.

Shes talking about shadow arts, just letting you know.
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
7/21/2013 22:32:39   
Mother1
Member

@ mysterion

Rayman hit the nail on the head as I was talking about shadow arts. Something I know the masses wanted gone for the longest since it is the only passive that works with 100% luck.

Epic  Post #: 14
7/21/2013 22:35:15   
Mysterion.
Member

Then why do you clearly say:
quote:

which will be turning into an active core just like all passive skill cores.

Should be more clear, since you clearly say all passive skill cores, not skills only. ;)

< Message edited by Mysterion. -- 7/21/2013 22:39:23 >
Epic  Post #: 15
7/21/2013 23:35:22   
Rayman
Banned


 ^
For me it's 100% clear, I don't know how you like to see it but for me it's clear, just her her clarify it to you.
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
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