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11/19/2013 23:42:11   
santonik
Member

What you saying like this:

1. Bloodmage vs high energy player. Bloodmage wins 100-0. why? Thanks to parasite skill. That leeching too much. 15% + (x 1,5 multiplaying) is extreme good.
Bloodmage gains too much energy.
Parasite skill isnt best skill againts low energy players but it is OP againts high energy players.
Semi good counter is same what works against mercenary. Use yours all energy very fast. this works low energy build but no high energy builds.
Best counter is. Tadaa PYROFLY. Why? Pyrofly can take out 1 main skill in battle. (if you have luck parasite is out)
Parasite skill need limit somehow. Maybe parasite can leech max 10 energy per round. Remember that multiplaying 1,5 too. bloodmage still gain 15 energy, perhaps 3 times.
about 45 energy is still huge sum energy. Enemy lose 30 energy bloodmage gain 45 IT sound extreme move still. (All this happens 3 turns)
Maybe this should be fix more? I think yes. Maybe max limit even more down? Very hard make this best balance but i give this time only good idea.




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2. Boyntyhunter;s EMP vs others energy moves. Static emp is number 1. Why? it can be take out 40 energy and gain 20 energy same time whit 70 tech. (10lvl static emp.)
70 Tech is very low. i can make this Static emp even my own boynty what is 16lvl. I noticed boyntys EMP is too good now. No matter what other saying.
Static EMP must fix. It is good change it to support. And lowering that energy damage too. This rising more tactic in this game. (No more OP TECH build to boynty)


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3. Techmage endless looping. It is too good now.
Battery , Assimilation , Heal , low lvl plasma bolt and armor core.
Combination is too good. Techmage gains infinite sum energy. only minus is time. Yes time. No enemy energy destroy skills cant destroy this looping. Techmage can prevent enemy player
attacking themselves. Assimilation doing this. This destroy enemys energy and techmage gain few points extra energy too. Dont forgot rage. This looping MUST destroy.
I know techmage dont like this. I have myself 35lvl tech mage and it can looping very easy. Poison bot make this build even stronger. Thank to poisonbot specials. Infinite poison (6 x infinite)
Best counter what i found is PYROFLY. This take out 1 skill. Change 2/3 is normally energy skill moves (Assimilation and battery)
If battery/assimilation is out it is good change to win this battle.

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4. Poisonbot special looping is broplem. Yes i know it is weakness too but it is too effective now. 6 damage 4 times +3 damage when it is hit. (3+6+6+6+6=27 damage)
What to you think? I think this must be cost energy too. At least 15 energy. Now this can looping and now this is balance because this needs energy.


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5. What happens others old bot i see only IA bot or poison bots. RARELY i seen Gamma bot.
I dont seen anything like these bots
AZRAEL,S BOT
BUNNY BOT
BIOBORG
ASSAULT BOTS (both versions)
PYROFLY (this time my best friend thanks to special core)


I seen these very often
IA can be doing most damages. IA 2 rage is extreme strong. take always very high sum healt. (depends build) What if we lowering that special damage little?
Poison bot can be doin too much and too easy damage. looping is very easy. only enemy what can survive somehow this attacks is high healt players. Heal help too but only temporaly.

Bots giving extra potential sometimes yours builds. even that is odd test build bot can still support yours build very good ways.

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Epic  Post #: 1
11/20/2013 1:26:04   
Mother1
Member

For the last part of your list you have to remember that most of those bots you mentioned are premarare. Meaning that you can't buy them anymore. Plus most of the older users who brought these bots aren't playing the game anymore. So it would be rare to see these bots.

Plus bringing these bots back in any shape or form would be breaking the promise to everyone who ever brought those bots in the past Especially with the gamma bot since it is an ultra rare legacy item.

Epic  Post #: 2
11/20/2013 1:49:42   
santonik
Member

I see only 2 kind bot this game IA and poison bot.

I think perma explain part of this.

New player cant get perma rare anymore. I accapt that.


I think there is some issues in here bots. That is damage. (specials)


IA is easy to get.(cost only credits). Some bots is seasonal rare rigth.


Others bot losing to damage. Special is much weaker than IA or poison bot.


This explain little.
(i think new players eyes)
they can only purchase credits. Of course they can purchase varium and purchase varium bot.
They have very limited option to buying to different bots

After all we need more different bots! (rookie needs differents bots too, Even weak version that bot what varium player can get?) This is maybe 1 big broplem now.
And 2 broblem is this. If bot is good special. That must be weak (normal) attack and vice versa.
3 broplem is. Why bot spelials not cost energy? Not all bots but some. (poisonbot special at least)



Epic  Post #: 3
11/20/2013 1:57:34   
Altador987
Member

actually you can't even buy the poison bot anymore it's now rare as well as the varium deals are gone except for the actual varium packs themselves
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
11/20/2013 2:04:44   
Mother1
Member

@ altador

While that is true, the Poison bot unlike the other bots I mentioned is a seasonal rare. Meaning when the spring comes back so will the bot.
Epic  Post #: 5
11/20/2013 2:19:23   
Altador987
Member

oh cool
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
11/20/2013 3:24:26   
Jekyll
Member

Any word on what is happening with the poison bots this week? Any details of changes released?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 7
11/20/2013 3:29:32   
Ranloth
Banned


 No details yet, but Rabble did mention it will be looked at this week - since they couldn't do anything last week, when it was brought up on Thursday and they were already locked on the changes. Nevertheless, it was the next thing Rabble was going to look at.
AQ Epic  Post #: 8
11/20/2013 3:44:08   
santonik
Member

quote:

No details yet, but Rabble did mention it will be looked at this week - since they couldn't do anything last week, when it was brought up on Thursday and they were already locked on the changes. Nevertheless, it was the next thing Rabble was going to look at.

;)
Epic  Post #: 9
11/20/2013 4:13:53   
bigolron
Member

i cannot read what you wrote...
Post #: 10
11/20/2013 6:05:00   
kaierti1
Banned


 santonik,
man are u good? what are u talking about? i have energy parasite max but 32 lvl bh won over me, even str 34 lvl cyber hunter won over me, str tech mages too, tank tech mages. support mercenaries winning over me. energy parasite need enhance. u can take only 15 energy of all 3 turns 9+4+2 . it is weak. blood mage is lowered because of destroyed strength (deadly aim) and blood lust (receiving heal) and now is very hard to game against almost all classes bh tm support tct, str tech mage and str cyber hunter and etc. blood mage is weakest which dont have nothing!!! smoke, malf, deadly aim, blood lust, slowly getting energy (energy parasite) i will change class soon but waiting for newe update friday. what are u talking about i dont understand u want decrease bm again? lol. think please about ur sentence. its silly and unreal. when i am using energy parasite first turn i am getting energt but then my enemy spend his energy on something and then i cant even heal.

early bm was so good i agree this but now is decreased. now best is support tactical mercenary, tank tech mage, and bounty hunter. 2, 3 and 4 i am accepting ur sentence. sttaic grenade is best skill now. what about tech mages they are cool too, plasma, assimilitation, supercharge and energy backup and high heal 85-100. poison bot is so cool too, non focus can damage 6 every 3-4 turn. need damage gain lower -2 points i mean 5 focus build 6 damage (now is 8) and non focus build 4 damage (now is 6) or must be usable only one time as infernal android energy version

see this picture please http://image.geotorrents.com/images/84922774079321904810.png i can use ep and get first time energy but then he will spend 31 energy on mark of blood and then i cant do nothing. he will have 22 energy after 1st turn and then i can steal only 3 and back 5 (22*0.15=3) and what can i do with 16-18 energy? merc have static smesh and soon it will be unblockable, tech mages and tactical mercenaries have free 37 energy skill (energy backup), bounty hunters have 46 steal and 23 back (static grenade), cyber hunters have now 70% static charge and left only weak blood mage which have only 15% each turn so low.

i loss now 0-4 1 v 1 against 2 bh, 1 tct merc and 1 tank tech mage. wtf. i cant even flag capture win game

< Message edited by kaierti1 -- 11/20/2013 6:36:56 >
Post #: 11
11/20/2013 6:52:18   
santonik
Member

kaierti1

Parasite is weak against low energy build. I noticed too that. Most players play minimun energy. (about 60 energy)

Parasit is semi good medium energy players (70-90 energy)

Parasite move is even better if you see high energy player. Myself i play high energy so i know.

113 my today energy. Parasite is number 1 against high energy players beacuse it has % damage and 1,5 multiplaying. IT make bloodmages to god against high energy players.
Parasite isnt so good balance now.

113
------=16.96(17)(turn1)
15%


113-17=96

96
---=14.4(15)(turn2)
15%


96-15=81


81
----=12.15 (13)(turn3)
15%


I lose 17-15-13=45 in 3 turns it is even bette than Static EMP. Bloodmage gain 1 turn 17+(8.5)9=26 energy !!! 2 turn 15+(7.5)8=23 energy!!! 3 turn 13+(6.5)7 20 energy !!!
(remember multiplaying) (turn1)26+(turn2)23+(turn3)20= IT IS ONLY 69 FREE ENERGY !!!

Even i using my energy. Bloodmage get guaranteed 40+ energy!!! Parasite need LIMITED some how.

Static emps can take instantly about 46 and gain 23 energy. IT is game breaker move too.





Epic  Post #: 12
11/20/2013 7:00:57   
kaierti1
Banned


 santonik,
man listen. when u playing u dont spending ur energy? i must spend my energy on something and then use energy parasite. and 90 energy has almost noone. and if someone have he is using his energy on something and left only at least and then cant steal many energy because of this. look at this 34 lvl tct won over me. after str nerfed im weak. i can't do many damage. he had rage and i had only 36 or 40 hp. and u think blood mages is good? no man. u are not right. i want so much change class. just waiting when finish big updates http://image.geotorrents.com/images/28789182920548282011.png

< Message edited by kaierti1 -- 11/20/2013 7:03:26 >
Post #: 13
11/20/2013 7:34:57   
santonik
Member

I want limited not destroying parasite!

I want limited this MAX leeching ability against high energy players. In theory bloodmage is best energy leech move agaisnt all high energy players BUT (maybe) weakest energy leech skill against minimum energy players

High energy player needs them energy. High energy players is very weak whitout energy. Minimim energy players dont need so much energy (depend builds)


This game is not best balance this moment. Im play mercenary. I lose very often. No change to challenge mostly players at all.
Im very similar situation what you are now.

If im play sword build i lose mostly my game. No matter who is enemy. Is it 32lvl player i can lose even them too. 1 single energy leech/destroy move destroy my builds normally. I cant even get energy !!! Only way is armor core. I lose 1 turn if i using it. It is risky move now.

I think you losin high support player. I think you can counter them artillery this move (defence matrix) and heal combination. Use now parasite. parasit leechin 3 turn. This is maybe good start. Maybe you figured rest in yourself. (im not play Bloodmage myself)
Epic  Post #: 14
11/20/2013 7:48:47   
kaierti1
Banned


 santonik,
blood mages don't starting play with energy parasite because they must spend their energy on something and then use ep. lol man. listen. mercenary is weak class now. if u have sword u will loss against all classes often because all players need energy. change class i advice u. bh, tm or tlm. it is best 3 classes now. if u have poison bot change to tm. if u have not i prefer tlm or bh. i will change class too just waiting when this updates will be finished and then i choose my new class. tlm is good for 1 v 1 support build, but i think it will not be good in 2 v 2. and bh we are waiting how much they will be decreased on this friday

if u are interesting im losing yes against: high support player, strength player tech mage or cyber hunter, tank tm sometimes and bh often

< Message edited by kaierti1 -- 11/20/2013 7:52:02 >
Post #: 15
11/20/2013 8:14:11   
santonik
Member

My english skill isnt always perfect. I make very often writing errors or i have wrong word sometimes. English isnt my original language.

quote:

blood mages don't starting play with energy parasite because they must spend their energy on something and then use ep. lol man.
Yes i knowing that. I just give you only tip. But my english isnt always good. Try this next time when you see TclMerc whit high support.

turn1---defence matrix
turn2---heal
turn3---parasite.

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I dont want change my class. I stay my merc class. I have some ALT character already.
I dont like jumping OP class to another OP class.
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Epic  Post #: 16
11/20/2013 8:34:21   
kaierti1
Banned


 santonik,
almost no chance man. they starting with aux. if i will do reflex boost, damage still is good. 18/19 minimal. and then i need heal. when i heal they using poison grenade which damage is 5 and every turn poison 13. they have almost 100 heal and because of nerf strength i cant kill them quickly. they using energy backup and killing me multi and aux (dont forget 13 damage every turn)

< Message edited by kaierti1 -- 11/20/2013 8:35:41 >
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