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12/23/2013 12:29:12   
xxDantExx
Member

well... as we all know lots of changes were being made to make this game more balance..
but sad to say that there is a HUGE imbalance w/ the latest update...
to point out LOOP HEALING is being abused again...

it was the main reason why Field Medic was changed from 3 cooldowns to 4 cooldowns since it was being abused by tech mages during beta days..
today it's being done again since they both have assimilation and Battery Backup...

... i think it would be fair enough if they would nerf one of those skills... i.e. make Assimilation " BLOCKABLE " .. or,, make the Battery Backup skill cooldown longer...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 1
12/23/2013 12:31:40   
Drianx
Member

Or Battery Backup should work like Reroute but for 3 turns only - to give back energy only if you're damaged.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
12/23/2013 12:33:20   
Mother1
Member

@ Drianx

Actually that would solve a lot of problems and actually balance TM since when they put in battery backup they in turn over buffed caster tank TM.
Epic  Post #: 3
12/23/2013 13:21:11   
Stabilis
Member

I would say yes to a classic Reroute-type of skill but that will not be a reliable energy gain. If it is dependent on the opponent then extrapolated energy gain is unknown: the range is too high.

Edit: This includes Energy Parasite as well.

< Message edited by Depressed Void -- 12/23/2013 13:22:39 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 4
12/23/2013 13:39:46   
Steel Slayer
Member

Just take the energy return away from assimilation, playing with battery would hurt TLM, and they are already hurting.

quote:

Edit: This includes Energy Parasite as well.


Why not just give Static Smash to BM? Might give them some incentive to use a staff, and would be MUCH better than Parasite.
Epic  Post #: 5
12/23/2013 13:57:59   
ED Divine Darkness
Member

or just swap assimilate with parasite so that bm get assimilate and tm gets parasite.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
12/23/2013 14:46:53   
edwardvulture
Member

What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider.The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 7
12/23/2013 14:52:10   
xxDantExx
Member

imo.. they should do something about it... since some are already doing loop healing...
to be fair.. assimilation should be nerfed,, if not taken out, so as not to hurt the TLM's,, since changes are being made to move forward "Balance-wise"..
not to ga back to that annoying stage again where LOOP HEALING was being abused


< Message edited by xxDantExx -- 12/23/2013 14:53:50 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
12/23/2013 17:33:55   
Altador987
Member

what if the old reroute was like the reverse of poison but with mp... over a certain amount of turns the caster receives x amount of mp back i'd say sort of like parasite except the number wouldn't be affected by anything
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
12/23/2013 17:36:11   
Stabilis
Member

^

That is a skill concept that I can stand behind.
AQ Epic  Post #: 10
12/24/2013 11:01:32   
Steel Slayer
Member

quote:

What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider. The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.


/Agree. Just because you cant figure out a way to beat it, doesn't make a build OP. There enough energy drains in the game now, if someone is looping, it's because you let them.
Epic  Post #: 11
12/24/2013 11:45:34   
Variation
Member
 

 It doesn't take much thought to break a loop-heal.
Post #: 12
12/24/2013 18:02:48   
santonik
Member

quote:

LOOP HEALING comes back again....

That must destroy. Tech mage infinite heal loop is extreme dangerous to game balance.
---max lvl battery
---max lvl assimilation
--- good medic healt (critical heal help this too)
--- generator
--- good defence

even those techmage can looping very easy. (energy politic is unbalance)

i have figth some them (heal loopers) and i lost every single my battle. I have end my own energy. after that techmage is immortal (in theory)
Epic  Post #: 13
12/25/2013 14:30:28   
xxDantExx
Member

quote:

/Agree. Just because you cant figure out a way to beat it, doesn't make a build OP. There enough energy drains in the game now, if someone is looping, it's because you let them.


disagree...
Fight a Loop Healer and u will know what it's like


quote:

That must destroy. Tech mage infinite heal loop is extreme dangerous to game balance.
---max lvl battery
---max lvl assimilation
--- good medic healt (critical heal help this too)
--- generator
--- good defence

even those techmage can looping very easy. (energy politic is unbalance)

i have figth some them (heal loopers) and i lost every single my battle. I have end my own energy. after that techmage is immortal (in theory)

@santonik
... i agree..
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
12/25/2013 15:06:56   
DarkDevil
Member

i have already made another thread about the assimilation state some time ago.
AQ Epic  Post #: 15
12/25/2013 17:29:34   
Teserve
Member

Every class has an EP drainer, so if they heal loop its all because you aren't stopping them.

Plus, edwardvulture made a very good point:
quote:

What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider.The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.


And you never answered, what is wrong with heal-looping? All you said was "People are heal looping, and heal-looping is bad IMO!"
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
12/25/2013 17:43:00   
GearzHeadz
Member

It is a long and very annoying process that hogs the time of everyone involved.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 17
12/25/2013 17:58:19   
Mother1
Member

@ Gearzheadz

Only if you can't stop the process itself. Plus the staff made balance changes so matches would become longer believe it or not. All those nerfs to offense while buffing defense was for that purpose, and heal looping believe it or not makes matches longer as well.

Shame they don't have the pyro fly available for all anymore. If you get battery or assimilation taken out there goes the heal loop.
Epic  Post #: 18
12/25/2013 18:00:29   
GearzHeadz
Member

I know THEY wanted matches longer. We however for the most part, didn't.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 19
12/25/2013 18:40:40   
Teserve
Member

@GearzHeadz
I have seen equal want of long and short battles.

Also, it's like something I saw brought up once, people with fast wins and low w/l ratios and people with slow games and high w/l ratios. People have different play styles and as the game is PvP there will be some clashes, but nerfing a build or strategy just because you don't like it seems sort of off.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
12/25/2013 18:43:23   
GearzHeadz
Member

I know this, I was just stating why people don't like loop healing.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 21
12/25/2013 21:33:08   
Pemberton
Member
 

 TechMage cannot heal loop if you drain them lol...
Post #: 22
12/25/2013 21:34:18   
GearzHeadz
Member

And it is very hard to completely drain a techmage.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 23
12/25/2013 23:14:05   
Teserve
Member

@above
It is a good strategy, and so some skill in the timing is required. You can't just spam skills and win (except at very low levels).
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 24
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