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8/18/2018 23:34:11   
.Lord Ginger.
Member

Make it require dex so people running a support build have to put points in dexterity instead of leaving it as the base.

Most people running around have 19 dex, a 42 dex requirement for level 10 would make this build not as strong.
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8/19/2018 6:24:00   
nowras
Member

I support that, but i think that it would nerf CH mass but would buff BH mass dramatically. So, I feel like if mass ever needs a change then its more damage % should become lower than now at higher levels of the skill and higher at lower levels of it.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
8/19/2018 14:53:30   
.Lord Ginger.
Member

Not sure how it would buff BH. If you ditch support for dex, then you have no aux, don’t go first, get a weak static and are extremely susceptible to Kartherax.
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
8/19/2018 16:45:42   
nowras
Member

Anyways, I believe mass doesn’t need to be changed anymore. People realized it was a weak build and changed classes and builds.
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
8/19/2018 17:48:13   
.Lord Ginger.
Member

Maybe because of Kartherax incoming, but it is still too strong of a build. As I know many other people would agree.

Disregard the people who hop on the bandwagon and don’t know how to use the build.

< Message edited by .Lord Ginger. -- 8/19/2018 17:50:58 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
8/19/2018 19:08:24   
Daph Duck
Member

i think its not that strong
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
8/19/2018 21:42:30   
.Lord Ginger.
Member

Paige you aren’t even playing the game.
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
8/20/2018 4:12:17   
Digital X
Beep Beep!


 Massacre can be very strong indeed, and this is coming from a former BH. Even with little as 36 Tech, and no Smoke used it was easily near 400 in most cases. I do believe it would benefit from a requirement of some sort, although min-maxing is popular and can be fun as I use to enjoy it. I'd say a Dex requirement would be a good idea. If other skills, even simple ones have prerequisites that need to be hit, then Supers definitely should be required too.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
8/20/2018 6:53:03   
TankMage
Member

Switching around the requirement from support to Dex or Tech would definitely be the best choice of action. Personally would prefer a change to a Tech requirement though so to not increasing sidearm damage in the same effect Aux damage is been boosted currently.
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
8/20/2018 9:44:36   
NDB
Member

When you do the math, Massacre is still usually actually sub-par to Super Charge and Surgical, especially considering it has no special effects besides the health steal. It does seem clear that it is the build (Support/Poison/Massacre) rather than the skill itself that is the problem, so I do support changing the requirement to Dex since that would specifically target these builds without hurting the skill itself.

I also think that, at this point, it would make sense to make all of the supers have a Cool Down of 4 turns. With so many other skills getting their Cool Down pushed back over the years (Field Medic, all the Energy manipulation skills except Static Charge and Parasite, Multi-Shot/Plasma Rain/Artillery Strike, Bunker Buster/Plasma Canon), it makes sense to me that skills of this power should also have their Cool Down longer. Right now, it is too easy to use them multiple times per battle, before the other player even has the possibility of looping heal. I guess this was more of a problem with caster Tech Mages earlier on when Super Charge was still insane, but it is still a problem with them and is somewhat of a problem with Massacre Cyber Hunters.

I thought about also making the Warm Up 4 turns, but that might be too harsh on the current Massacre builds.

@TankMage
Tech would not be a good idea since Poison and Static Charge already require it.

Epic  Post #: 10
8/20/2018 9:52:24   
Digital X
Beep Beep!


 Having a warm up of 4 might be a bit too long, as CH and BH usually Smoke/Malfunction first or use Poison, then Massacre when the opponent is effected by those skills.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
8/20/2018 12:01:04   
Satafou
Member

Massacre is still the weakest ultimate atm. It is strong on it's own yes, however you are forced to have extremely low dex which results in other moves throughout the battle often getting blocked as although massacre scales with tech it still revolves around str. If it was to be changed to dex it would actually be way stronger, I wouldn't mind that change but mass would certainly be stronger than it is now if you actually think it is any stronger than surg or sc which u can assure you at the moment it is not.
Post #: 12
8/20/2018 12:47:14   
NDB
Member

@Satafou
He suggested for the requirement to be changed to Dex, not the scaling. Currently, the requirement is on Support.
Epic  Post #: 13
8/20/2018 15:05:00   
Satafou
Member

Thanks for the correction, I was just skim reading the post. If that's the case I wouldn't mind, less support means a weaker static emp drain, so if anything it's a buff/nerf.
Post #: 14
8/20/2018 18:56:09   
TankMage
Member

@NBD That's true was looking through Bounty Hunter at the time and forgot about Static. Dex would definitely be the stronger option in that case as increasing with Tech would probably mean switching Mass to improve with different skill as well.
AQ Epic  Post #: 15
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