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7/21/2021 22:19:02   
Zennistrad
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I've been fairly active in the suggestions subforum for a while now. I mostly post there because designing AQ equipment is a fun exercise in understanding the game's deeper mechanics and design principles, but one thing that's sort of struck me recently is that there hasn't been anything from there that's been implemented in a good while.

Now, I completely understand why that is — the devs are certainly very busy with weekly releases and the upcoming class revamps are no doubt taking up a huge portion of their time. But that said, I feel like there could be a way of re-introducing player suggestions back into the game in a way that's less intrusive to the schedule, and not far off from the "golden ticket" model that's currently used for player-designed items.

You've already read the thread title, so you probably know what it is: a player suggestions contest. This idea I believe was mentioned by The Hollow once during the announcement for the Devourer Saga quest revamps, and it's something that I would definitely like to see at some point: not just for the obvious reason that I'd love to see one of my own suggestions possibly make it in, but also because I'd love to see what other players can come up with on their own merits.

I'm wondering what anyone else would think of this: I personally think it'd be an excellent way of getting players to engage with the community outside of the usual wars and donation contests.
AQ  Post #: 1
7/21/2021 22:51:45   
PD
Member
 

I'd love for this to happen, time and budget within scope. Particularly I'd like updates that are purely for QoL, bugfixes, updates to older equips, and player suggestions that can fit within the time budget. Acknowledged that weekly updates are AQ's (and AE's in general) bread and butter, but maybe having 1 out of the 4 releases we get monthly being towards this end would be nice to have. I've been particularly vocal about gaping deficiencies in those areas. While not a "contest" in the purest sense, a small, focused, and dedicated update once a month towards those things can encourage players to pitch in on how to make the game better, and would be an easy way for the staff to incorporate player suggestions in the purest sense.




While we're on the clock for talking about the Staff's lack of time to do these things because of time and space, here's what our releases have been so far in 2021 (Going by Newsletters):

January:
Jan 4: Frostvale 2020 Gift Delivery War
Jan 11: Booster Guests GGB
Jan 18: Estates Update
Jan 25: Frostval Gifting Contest Finale

Februrary:
Feb 1: Snugglefest (No Seasonal Quest)
Feb 8: Giftbox Crossover Extraveganza
Feb 15: Snugglefest Last Resort
Feb 22: Devourer Saga Update (Eigerbuld) + Legion Shogun

March:
Mar 1: Baorus the Deathwright
Mar 8: Legion GGB
Mar 15: Blarney War (AKA the war that took us nearly 2 months to finish)
Mar 22: April Fools
Mar 29: Grenwog 2021

April:
Apr 5: GGB Crossover 2
Apr 12: Bun Banneret Void Takeover
Apr 19: Grenwog Festival Items (Hare Raiser and Berserker)
Apr 26: Cinco De Mayo Super Event

May:
May 3: Protean Returns
May 10: Twisted GGB
May 17: Wabio Takeover
May 24: War Between Shadows I
May 31: Necromancer Class Testing

June:
Jun 7: Summer 2021 Giftboxes (Surfboards)
Jun 14: War Between Shadows II
Jun 21: Necromancer Skills 1-5
Jun 28: Summer 2021 Gifting Contest

July:
Jul 5th: War Between Shadows III
Jul 12: July 2021 Giftboxes
Jul 19: Olympax
Jul 26: Necromancer 6-9

August:
Aug 2: Become a Lich
Aug 9: Thursday the 12 LTS + GGB
Aug 16: Necromancer 11-15
Aug 23: War Between Shadows IV
Aug 30: Necromancer 16-20

September:
Sept 5: Summer Season of Gifting Finale
Sept 12: Talk Like a Pirate Day
Sept 19: War Between Shadows V
Sept 26: The Lost Talon Set - Part I

October:
Oct 4: War Between Shadows Finale
Oct 11: 19th AQ Anniversary Bronze Edition + Golden Giftboxes
Oct 18: Necromancer Class Finale
Oct 25: Mogloween 2021 - Zombie's Landing

November:
Nov 2: The Lost Talon Set - Part 2
Nov 9: Tibbles in the Tank Void Fight + New Twisted GGB's
Nov 16: Harvest Festival - The Ratty Crown
Nov 22: Black Friday Event
Nov 29: Frostval Part 1 - Decorate the Tree + Token/Gold Contest

December:
Dec 6: Frostval Part 2 - Curse of the Rat Queen + Golden Giftboxes
Dec 13: Frostval Part 3 - Wood you Kindly
Dec 20: Frostval Part 4 - Delivery War
Dec 27: New Years 2021

Anything that wasn't permanent content (AKA, no seasonal, no void rotation, Monthly GGB, contest, etc) is bolded. That leaves us with a total of 20/52. More than half of the releases this year have been dedicated towards things that aren't going to stay around. In particular it was dreadful that March and April this year saw NO PERMANENT CONTENT, two months straight of Seasonal + Rare Content.




And all 52 releases from last year:

January:
Jan 6: Woolzard + Frostvale 2020 Contest Finale
Jan 13: January 2020 Giftboxes
Jan 20: Frostgale 3: Mistral's Request
Jan 27: Keyote the Heartcrusher Takeover

Februrary:
Feb 3: GGB Crossover Extraveganza
Feb 10: Snugglefest 2020
Feb 17: Starting Class Overhaul
Feb 24: Legion Paragon Mount

March:
Mar 2: Devourer Saga Update 1-4 (Epilogue)
Mar 9: Blarney the 12th War
Mar 16: Spring Z-Token Sale + Legion Doomknight
Mar 23: April Fools 2020
Mar 30: Grenwog Festival 2020

April:
Apr 6: Final Fable GGB's
Apr 13: Grenwog Mutant Eggs
Apr 20: Devourer Saga Update 5-8
Apr 27: Void Dragon War

May:
May 4: Permanent Void Takeover Rotation
May 11: May Golden Giftboxes
May 18: Dragonlorn Keep + Z-Token Sale + 25% Battle Boost
May 25: Devourer Saga Update 9-10

June:
Jun 1: Dragonlorn Keep - Frontiers of Perdition
Jun 8: June GGB's
Jun 15: Paladin Skills 1-5
Jun 22: Paladin Skills 1-5 + Class Quest
Jun 29: Dragonlord Keep

July:
Jul 6: Paladin Skills 5-10
Jul 13: July GGB
Jul 20: Dragonlorn Keep
Jul 27: Paladin Skills 10-15

August:
Aug 6: Diamond Dog Void Takeover
Aug 10: August GGB
Aug 17: Paladin Skills 15-20
Aug 24: Dragonlorn Keep
Aug 31: Back To School Contest

September:
Sep 7: Dragonlorn Keep Finale
Sep 14: Talk Like a Pirate Day 2020
Sep 21: Into Dragonlorn Keep
Sep 28: Devourer Saga Update 11 & 12 + Mogloween 2020

October:
Oct 5: Paladin Finale
Oct 12: 18th Anniversary Rares
Oct 19: Silk Screamer Takeover
Oct 26: Mogloween 2020 Quest

November:
Nov 2: Dragonlord Set
Nov 9: Thursday the 12th GGB's
Nov 16: Holiday Sale + Dragonlord Finale
Nov 23: Harvest Festival 2020
Nov 30: Frostval 2020 Begins

December:
Dec 7: Welcome Home
Dec 14: All Alone
Dec 21: Frostval 2020 Delivery War
Dec 28: New Years Rares

So about 24/52, or 46%. Seasonal Releases in 2020 accounted for 15 of the releases. GGB's 7. (Corrections are welcome as I could have very well skewed the statistics, or miscounted. Nonetheless I still think it paints a rather indicting picture of the state of AQ content releases this year and the previous one.) At this point of the year last year already had 14 releases of permanent content, versus 9 this year. Now I am aware the Summer Saga is still in continuation and continuing Necromancer Update are on their way, but as of right now this year is looking particularly bad.




Just for fun, I'll do 2019 as well:

January:
Jan 7: 250 Stat Upgrade
Jan 14: Forge Masters + Robina Ranged Shop + Lunar Shields
Jan 21: CustoSilva Champion + Spirit of Love
Jan 28: War of the Fangs - Resurrection

Februrary:
Feb 4: Cross-Game GGB's
Feb 11: Snugglefest
Feb 18: Skill Scrolls
Feb 25: Retro Art + Sounds

March:
Mar 4: GGB Update + Rare GGB's going away
Mar 11: GGB - Robot Army
Mar 18: Blarney
Mar 25: Nothing To See Here! (April Fools) + Chibi Loco

April:
Apr 1: Skill Scrolls II + Spring Z token Sale
Apr 8: Golden Dev Ticket Contest
Apr 15: Grenwog
Apr 22: Moderator Challenge
Apr 29: Star Wars + Cinco De Maya

May:
May 6: Umazen Uprising I
May 13: Umazen Uprising II
May 20: Alpha Weredragon Void Takeover
May 29: Summer Sales Event

June:
June 3: Burning Solstice I
Jun 10: Surfboard Contest Winners
Jun 17: Burning Solstice II - War Dragons
Jun 24: Summer Donation Contest

July:
Jul 1: Independence Day Items
Jul 8: Terra Bloodzerker
Jul 15: Umazen Civil War
Jul 22: Burning Solstice III - The Greatest Warrior I
Jul 29: Summer Contest Ends

August:
Aug 5: Falerin Memorial
Aug 12: August GGB - Furious Trobble + Pig Drake
Aug 19: Burning Solstice IV - The Greatest Warrior II
Aug 26: Burning Solstice V - The Choice To Fall + Back To School Contest

Sept:
Sep 1: Burning Solstice VI - The Question
Sep 9: Rare Item Hunt
Sep 16: Talk like a Pirate Day 15th Anniversary
Sep 23: Burning Solstice - The Answer
Sep 30: Mogloween

October:
Oct 7: TorontoSaurus Rex + Mogloween 2 (Zombie Hunter)
Oct 14: Frostgale Part I
Oct 21: Zhilo's Haunting + Plague Pick
Oct 28: Moglween Finale

November:
Nov 4: Donation Contest
Nov 11: Frostgale's Secret
Nov 18: Special Guardian Upgrade
Nov 25: Black Friday Sale

December:
Dec 2: Frostval Begins
Dec 9: Ballad of the Chosen
Dec 16: The Test of Thunder
Dec 23: Frostval Delivery
Dec 30: Guardian Giftboxes open

24 / 52 releases were permanent content. If we exclude TerraZerker (because it's premium), then that number does down to 23 / 52 in 2019, or 44% of the releases.



EDIT: Adding onto this post to further track development in 2021.

< Message edited by PD -- 12/27/2021 18:45:12 >
Post #: 2
8/2/2021 12:41:57   
Sapphire
Member

PD's post is eye opening. I do think another sign is more and more the releases are after Thursday at 3pm more then not anymore.

The team might be smaller now, who knows. That also means if that's true, those who are there are working harder. So I think maybe some appreciation might be due, to be honest.


That said, I do feel as though if more content creation ideas came from the players, maybe the perception of releases by some who may view it as a downward trend may take a turn for the better.

I know many players have had, or have their own suggestion thread. I have one, too. While my ideas arn't likely taking a deep dive into making sure the ideas are balanced according to standards, I don't think it should rule the basic idea out, nor from others.

I do support some sort of player suggestion "event", or a few times per year the creation of ideas at least based on some of the suggestions. Maybe the player receives a free version, maybe it's a re-skin, or a MC bonus, or some other such "reward" for it being chosen.

I really think a player suggestion motivated release would be really fun, too.

Post #: 3
8/6/2021 13:11:35   
Zennistrad
Member

quote:

I do support some sort of player suggestion "event", or a few times per year the creation of ideas at least based on some of the suggestions. Maybe the player receives a free version, maybe it's a re-skin, or a MC bonus, or some other such "reward" for it being chosen.


I think that Golden Giftboxes might be the best way to do this.

While admittedly the idea of making player suggestion stuff premium content is something I'm a bit sour on, GGBs are already a guarunteed monthly release anyway and it seems to be where a large portion of the focus on new items is going, so working in stuff from the player suggestion subforum wouldn't necessarily take too much time away from what they're already doing.

Granted, this admittedly all depends on how far in advance they're planning monthly GGBs and I know nothing about how that works or what the development side of it involves
AQ  Post #: 4
8/13/2021 21:39:25   
PD
Member
 

In general, we do have the Cross-Game Extravaganza in Feburary that implements player suggested crossover items. That is usually the time of year when that kind of stuff is mostly implemented from the community. Also that maybe this year with the end of the Summer Contest we might have a chance to have community feedback on how the items may interact.

Also as a side note, I have updated my post from above about the state of the game. The track record of permanent content has not improved since I made that post originally. If anything the problem has gotten worse. However since that subject is not about this thread directly, I will go ahead and make my own thread about that subject on another day...
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