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Shadronica -> Luck Discussion (2/28/2011 18:07:51)

Ahem. I would hate to think that people thought I was lieing or exaggerating on my previous observation regarding Dex and Block rate as it is not truly my style to make a statement just to gain attention.

I am merely stating a fact that over 400-500 battles with my high dex (90-93) I only ever blocked 4 players in total. Yet players with nearly one third of my dex were still able to block me. That was 2 weeks ago. Perhaps I was just the unluckiest player in ED for those few days. ;)



eragonshadeslayer67 -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (2/28/2011 19:25:09)

yes, yes it is, no one with all physical weps should have the ability to crit 3 times and block 4 times and defeat a merc with max hybrid armor



King FrostLich -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 6:07:06)

Actually, for those who think noobs that are 4-5 levels lower than you that keep going first despite you having more than one billion support or whatever against them...Titan and NW made that into an update when the frost weapons were released right here:


quote:

Balance Improvements!


Field Medic - new Tech requirement base 15 step 3
Double Strike - new Dex requirement base 13 step 2
Bunker Buster - reduced Dex requirement by 2 per level
Berzerker - new Dex requirement base 20 step 2
Atom Smasher - increase % by 2% per level
Bludgeon - new Dex requirement base 15 step 2
Overload - new Tech requirement base 18 step 2
Reflext Boost - increase dex by 2 at all levels
Massacre - new Supp requirement 20 base step 3
Venom Strike - new Tech requirement 20 base step 2
Lowered the Rage impact from 65% defense ignore to 45% defense ignore
Underdog players have a much higher chance of First Strike against higher level opponents



And it only applies to people who are 4-5 levels lower than you as what I had said.



drekon -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 10:30:32)

To OP: I know what you mean. Since the latest update, I've experienced an increase in crit rate done to me. Mainly from Mages(who don't even have Azrael's Bane). Now I expect to get crit at least 3 times in a battle. Also, I'm experiencing a much lower block rate, especially against strength bounties. I have max Shadow Arts and my defense looks like this: 21-26 +8 +1. After using reflex boost, it's 32-39 +8 +1. Yet blocks from str bounties are extremely rare nowadays. I have my suspicions but I won't point fingers. This luck thing is getting out of balance, and should be looked at carefully by the admins.



Cinderella -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 11:02:06)

@FrostLich- that's why I didn't address first strike, since I haven't figured out what the bonus given to underdogs is yet. But yes, lower level players have a higher chance of going first to make up for the fact that they're lower level.



Cookielord12 -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 14:28:48)

ive spent about 75 tokens on battle today which is around 15 battles
8 of them were level 32 and one 2 hti kill me (both were crit)
one player bunker crit me twice and aux crit me
one rage crit me
one other deflect me
and ive won the 4 remaining

conclusion: crits and deflects are occuring too much
level balance is out of control



Vick Vega -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 14:50:24)

Let's put this into perspective. I spend a great deal of money on varium. So did a lot of other people. We paid for the varium in order to buy weapons, armors and items that are superior in the game. We then spent another wad of dough on enhancing those items with STATS! We purchased those stats with the understanding that they too would increase our ability to win. It is obvious that the range has been adjusted to give what has been called “the underdog” an advantage. Newsflash, the underdog is the under payer. Why are we turning to the tables to promote that? I just don’t understand this “aww they should be able to win some too” mentality. Let them win against each other, period. If I spend $1,000 in 2 years on varium in order to make my accounts have god-like characters, then YES! They should be able to beat the players who do not have the comparable gear and stats that I have. Making the system that allows you to lose regularly to these players is undermining what you sold us. You have on this forum a group of people like me saying “This is happening and it’s happening regularly. It’s unfair to the paying customer, change it.” And another set of people that are basically saying “My character has lame stats and gear but I crit, block and deflect all the time. I love it this way, keep it!” What I don’t hear is anyone who is saying that it is not this way. Both those who are benefiting and those who are being plagued by this system agree that the imbalances in randomness exist. Think about who the real supporters of this game are and honor them by removing the absurd allowances being made that are negatively affecting the people who have paid the most.



Light Stridr -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 15:27:00)

Well, I find blocks on my BH aren't particularly skewed. I use reflex boost to push my dex to about 100, and I block VERY often. It is understandable that against level 32s there is a much lower chance due to stat inflation, and occasionally i do block. and before you say anything, i don't use shadow arts.



Larcell -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 15:32:24)

@Cinderella & @FroshLich

Still doesn't explain why a lvl 32 BH (on my same level) goes first with 33 support. Unless, that is pure luck.



Fay Beeee -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 15:34:50)

I do not understand how it works either. I have been up against a lvl 28 and I went 1st. Bit odd . lol

Also Luck is not only good.
Sometimes the points I spent on the tree and stats fail. lol
All my (lucky) blocks die.
just mo.



Vick Vega -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 15:59:41)

quote:

Well, I find blocks on my BH aren't particularly skewed. I use reflex boost to push my dex to about 100, and I block VERY often. It is understandable that against level 32s there is a much lower chance due to stat inflation, and occasionally i do block. and before you say anything, i don't use shadow arts.



I'm not talking about a character of similar level with 100 Dex. I have no problem being blocked in that case. I am talking about a level 28 - 30 or any player above that with 38 dex blocking twice in a battle. Half the time they also crit and deflect in the same set. If you are between level 28 and 32 and you have less than 44 dex a block should be a once in a life time occurrence. It should be like lightning striking! You should want to take a screen shot and share it with your friends! Flat out!



dracule1984 -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 17:03:40)

I totally agree with this, i am a 32 level merc, with high support.. i expect to win 85% of the matches .. but now i am mentally prepared to bring it down to 75% win ratio .. Reason well even when you are facing a level 25 merc, all he has to do is bunker and whola its a crit 90% of the time .. [:(].. YES 90% .. where as me with a high support my bunker RARELY crits.. i don't understand this, especially when you are facing a player with support lower than you.. i almost threw away my laptop in anger when a lvl 30 crit me 2wice with just 32 support ..!!

Dracule



Shadronica -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/1/2011 19:58:40)

@dracule1984. I agree on the Bunker Buster issue too. Seems the non varium mercs with so very little in tech always do the most damage/crits. I don't think that a level 32 varium merc with ridiculously high tech has ever crit me. Explain that please.

Look don't get me wrong here. I don't particularly care if a lower level goes first even though the lower level non varium mages malf then overload/stun then shoot me and half my life is gone it doesn't really worry my build.

But the balance/luck factor is just ruining the whole game.

I truly wonder if our Dev's prefer the Chaos theory.

The only predictable factor in this game is that the Dev's make BH builds OP'd from December to April, Mages get from April to August and then Mercs get their turn August to December. Then NW said that the reason that class change has a high cost is so that people will remain loyal to their class and will have to think about it before they change??!! Oh please!

Think about how they have made BH's OP'd this time ... they brought out a lot of weapons with high tech (not dex for the rest of the classes) and high strength perfect for a strength BH. Then throw in a sweet added bonus of Shadow Arts which was most clearly the best of all the new skills.
Or ... to a lesser extent the 5 focus BH who has all the tech he needs to belt you with the gamma bot and the added bonus of rarely being able to strike him back. Even when my mage had 90 in dex and tried to use Assimilate on this breed I got blocked 100%. (also happens with the Strength builds too when I attempt to take massacre). Tell me this wasn't orchestrated.

I really don't care whether you want to call it a balance issue or a luck factor or you could even call it what you want but its high time we got the game we all paid for and was promised to us.




Vick Vega -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 8:40:05)

I have something to add to this discussion. Will the level 32 players who were magically whisked from level 25 to 30 or in the current times 32 raise your hands??? Ohh look, no one raised their hand! We all took our turn having the floor mopped with our heads by people who were 5 levels higher. This new generation of so called “lower level characters” are crybabies and worst of all, under the current system, being catered to! Can they make their bones like the rest of us? If not, WHY? Die from players who are better equipped and higher level. It’s what the rest of us did to get max level. Or, I guess we could change their diapers and make the game mechanics deliberatly skewed in their favor so we dont have to hear them cry.



Lectrix -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 11:34:20)

Mercs are "luckier" than the other Classes. That's all I have to say.



Vick Vega -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 12:07:45)

Have you fought a BH?



TurkishIncubus -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 13:28:43)

First i want to explain what i understand from Luck, (with examples )

Example 1:
If a STR Merc have 30 support and a Mage have 100 support.
If Merc Crit =Luck
If Mage Deflect=No Luck (because he got more support its not luck it happened with stat advantage)
If Merc Deflect=Luck
If Mage crit= No Luck (because he got more support its not luck it happened with stat advantage)

If you talk about the luck come from higher Stat than that is not a Luck and its Same for everybody.

High Support builds should make their defence low to abuse Support , critting and deflecting is their condign
High Dex builds will get Blocks for making less Resist or STR
High STR builds will abandon their Luck Factor for making incredible DMG

With this i assume all ppl talked about the Luck factor come from Stat Advantage , well its not Luck for me , they earned the advantage with making that stat more than its oponent , And with Agility + 4 Turn Heal Luck Factor will continue to be decisive in battle , 1 crit easyly decrease 40-50 hp from a 90 hp player which means game over for that player.



Nebula -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 13:39:45)

^That's not true. No matter how much of a stat advantage you have crits, deflects, blocks, etc, are still lucky. Your acting like a Mage with 100 support should vs a merc with 30 deflect and crit every turn.



Vick Vega -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 13:40:00)

You are missing the point we are talking about people who are critting like the guy who just critted me while I type this with 28 support.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 13:48:57)

@Nebula

So ,

You say Removing Crits,Deflects and Blocks from Game ?

Its just an example here is an other

100 Dex mage(Mage A ) VS 80 Dex Mage(Mage B),
If Mage A blocks its not Luck but if Mage B blocks its Luck



Nebula -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 14:01:16)

I didn't say remove crits, blocks or deflects.

It is luck both ways, Turkish. 20 more dex = 5% block chance. 5% more is still luck. It'd have to be a difference of 90% or more for it not to be luck since you would block almost every hit.
But 5%, 10%, 15% more is still luck.



Gabriel Dude -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 21:22:25)

Cinderella: To make sure i said what we call ``Luck`` i didnt said it was luck lol i said that is how we call the unbalance of the game. Ask Shadronica how many times she blocked,critted,deflected . The answer is : 2 blocks 1 crit 1 deflection and also started , the other way i got nothing and Shadronica you still remember right for the last fight we did which i got extremely blocked,critted,deflected after that fight thats the reason why i created this forum. Hope u understand

Edit:

ooops i forgot to say Thanks to everyone that has discussed this forum its my first [:D]. I am jsut saying this so we get to have more fun rather than people leavin cuz of the unbalance in the game ( i dont say luck ,which i dont believe , cuz Cinderella will start makin a discussiion about if luck exists or not rather than the point of this forum ,Cinderella , NO OFFENSE [8D]. Well thanks for hearing, i mean, reading this forum [8D]

Edit 2:

And Shadronica if u say im op cuz im a BH ive been loyal to my class since 2009 i have never changed if u dunt believe check my achievements i dont even hav the change class one

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    • stryker914 -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 22:19:24)

    Sometimes math can be that way. If you think it's luck, it's because of massive support and support enhances. If you don't have 50+ support nowadays, you're not a good player.



    Shadronica -> RE: ´´Luck´´ is gettin out of place. (3/2/2011 22:20:39)

    I don't doubt that your a loyal BH Gabriel Dude and I realize that there are many loyal BH's. I am not flaming players for being or becoming BH's, just saying IMO that the CLASS is being a "little favoured" currently.

    I think I remember our battle. You were unlucky indeed. I have witnessed the same myself. Its like the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate". You go into a battle all good ... then WHAM, BAM, KAPOWW and ZZZZAP! your dead before you even got a chance to say numbnuts or OMG!

    Yep it happens to me and I certainly hope it happens to everyone cos I would hate to feel alone:P

    That good ol WTH!?!!

    Why does the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate hit you like that in one battle? You know full well that your capable of putting up a good battle but for some reason the engine robs you of any battle play.



    stryker914 -> Luck Discussion (3/2/2011 22:24:03)

    You have bad battles. Guess what, other people do too! And if you both have a bad day in the same battle, it appears one or the other is getting luckier. I bet you have more wins than losses. No need to complain about the few you have lost, because you still have more wins.
    (PS, become a merc...I was a BH and the only w/l ratio with more wins was a support build, and the battles took longer)



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