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megakyle777 -> Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (Read first post!) (4/18/2011 5:49:55)

Okay, for those who have no clue to what I am on about (And I may be wrong on some details) AQ has a group called the Knights of Order. These are sensible people who were made staff and given one task: To go through AQ and either buff or nerf what was needed to be buffed and nerfed. Effectivly, the staff were split into two groups: the ones whould would concentrate on fun content such as new areas or the storyline, and the KoO who would go about the game, look for anything overpowered and underpowered, and change them as needed.

Now, I feel that such a system is requied in ED so that the main staff and writers can concentrate on releasing new things while some other responsable people deal with all this nonsense that has been consuming these fourms into an evil of arguments about builds and balance. This would require more staff to be hired for the team, but in the end it would come out with a much better game.

Discuss.

EDIT: Hopefully this will shed some light on the KoO:

quote:

The Knights of Order is the what you are looking for. The members of the Knights of Order are staff - they decide whether buffs/nerfs should happen. "Buff" is commonly used to describe raising an aspect of something, such as the price or the power. "Nerf" is the exact opposite, lowering the price or the power. This thread tells their current plans, but it doesn't tell everything. If the KoO decide to buff/nerf an item, they may do it without notice, but they usually post in a thread that requested it. If you have any other questions about the KoO, the stickies should answer all your questions.
There is now a sub-group to the Knights of Order, the Squires of Order. They are to the Knights of Order what the ArchKnights are to the moderators.
And before you ask, the answer is NO, you cannot join the KoO. The ONLY time that you would be able to join is if they clearly state that they need more members.


Threads that MAY help: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tt.asp?forumid=61



Lord GaGa -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 6:03:12)

Disagree, and if one of the "Knights Of Order"
got hacked then all the weps would be stuffed.



megakyle777 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 6:15:22)

The KoO are staff members usualy. They are not like normal fourmites or anything so they would not abuse their power. And it's done with all the making stuff used by the staff not by character so hacking into their account to buff stuff would help nobody.[;)]



Mordred -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 6:21:26)

@GaGa: There have been no hacking issues with the KoO in AQ, and they've been around for... at least three years now. It'll hardly be an issue in ED as well.



The Death Angel -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 6:25:12)

Supported.



megakyle777 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 6:27:29)

Guys, let's try to have more of a discussion then Supportted please.[;)]



Wind -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 7:12:17)

Not supported, ED is not a game like AQ it is a MMORPG, not just RPG, you can actually see other people unlike AQ.

Also the KOO could possibly make the game unfair and UNBALANCED, all the balancing i reckon should be left for the Mod's and the Admins. Nightwraith and Titan have both been balancing ED and Titan has even made a topic in the forums for any feedback on balancing. Really it shouldn't be done by anyone else unless they know ED inside out.

The reason why this isn't supported because ED is a very complicated competitive game that has 3 classes all which usually has one flaw. Someone Balancing this game with no experience could change everything. Really unless the KOO is made up from ED Mods or Admins i do not support.



Deadly PoisoN -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 7:16:08)

A system like this would never work in epicduel,mainly because it's nothing like aq.With aq there's TRUE balance,in the spirit of game play.Free players can still play the game and not look like cheap pull string dolls compared to a toy with all the bells and whistles(Paying player).In aq paying for items doesn't constitute to being an almighty god compared to a scrawny naked little stick.Epicduel doesn't run on balance,it runs on paying players who constantly pay like a membership basically.

Aq has no such formula,free player and paying players alike can enjoy the game on a similar lvl and discuss game play and strategy as a community,in epicduel this is impossible.You either pay and become the death of a free player,or you don't pay and you become the meal of a paying player.Where's the balance amidst all this?There is none,so therefore no team is needed.



Fay Beeee -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 7:42:29)

What would happen to players that constantly change builds.?
For eg. Tries a high strength merc.
Tries a high support merc. (gets nerf by KoO)

The player could just be trying build for fun or until they get one they like. It would surely involve a lot of recoding?
Are the KoO skilled enough to do this?

I also think this would defeat the object of having stats with weapons.

One last thing. HOW would they nerf. Would it affect any future build that the player would like to try?



jegaggin -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 7:54:39)

only game where it is centered in pvp aqworlds isnt really pvp...



TankMage -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 8:12:38)

I don't think this would work in a mmorpg. Simply because balance should be worked on by Devs.
(They have a much better understanding of the game and how it works)



megakyle777 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 8:42:12)

I fail to see how the competitvie aspect of ED changes things. If anything, balence is more of a necessity due to that.

And I think you guys fail to understand me. It WOULD be handled by staff and mods. I'm not saying it should be handled by fourmites. It would probably be more of a split between some working on Balance and the rest working on actual releases. And what's to stop the staff from teaching them how the game works?

As for how they would handle it, I would assume that they would first talk with Titan and Nightwraith and people already on the staff to set a standered and then either buff or nerf to fit that standerd.



jegaggin -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 9:41:27)

what would happen if someone abused their position it could cause irreparable damage to the world of Epicduel



megakyle777 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 9:56:18)

With it being staff that's like saying Nightwraith's going to go and buff all his weapons to do 100000000 Damage right now and nerf everyone but him to lvl one. It won't happen.[;)]



King azwan -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 10:55:34)

I would say No to this idea because players would be left un happy when they find out that their current weapon had just gotten nerfed as it can ruin their build.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 10:57:09)

@king
if that person used an over powered weapon it obviously ruins the game play for that person's enemy
specialy if its a non varium with no rares.



Zean Zapple -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 11:07:10)

What? Absolutely not! Just because your an ArchKnight doesn't mean that you've thoroughly explored EpicDuel over a long period of time! It would make more sense if the members of this are KIND, RESPECTFUL, players that joined in time to be Founder or before.



~Zean



megakyle777 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 11:11:05)

I get the feeling you people don't read the first post. I'm not talking about Archknights. Knights Of Order are staff members solely dedicated to balance issues.[:@]



Sparticus -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 11:11:49)

First off, I am very uncomfortable with adding any staff/DEVs in between the players and Titan/Nightwraith.

There is already a suggestion area to address weapon balance issues. If they are so in need of repair, the DEVs can address them without being prompted by a middle man. Having thousands of "testers" rather then a handful is much more helpful and the current system works just that way. Many hundreds of builds are made and remade using all varieties of weaponry. A flaw in a weapon is more likely to be found though this type of testing. To infer that a staff member can test all variety of circumstances in a more though manner then the general playing public is disingenuous.

If anything is required, it would be more active monitoring of the forum threads and player suggestions. A single staff member could handle that with ease.

I don't know how hacking has anything to do with this thread but ED is subject to periodic hacking and unlike other AE games, ED players have been attacked as recently as 2 months ago.

And finally to all the AE gamers out there that would like to apply "AE game style" oversight to ED, IMHO it is unnecessary and unwanted.



Zean Zapple -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 11:12:35)

KoO can't be on ED, they just can't. Players can tell you the problems, and with all the complaint threads they certainly do, IT'S JUST THAT YOU HAVE TO LISTEN!


~Zean



Thylek Shran -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 12:24:24)

quote:

Nightwraith and Titan have both been balancing ED and Titan has even made a topic in the forums for any feedback on balancing. Really it shouldn't be done by anyone else unless they know ED inside out.

Good joke. ED was never about balancing. I strongly support the KoO idea for ED
because there are ALOT balance issues. A good start would be to solve the big
power difference of varium and non varium. Then take a close look at mercs and
their Hybrid Armor, Bunker Buster (uber crit chance and defense ignored),
Berserker, Maul (uber stun chance) and maybe Artillery Strike because its still the
only multi that ignores (10%) defense.

Then look why mages have a pretty useless final skill called Super Charge and so
many skills that require a staff while mercs only have Maul and Atom Smasher that
require a club. It think that BH is the only class that is balanced atm. Maybe make
Massacre a little bit weaker.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 12:30:21)

quote:

Then take a close look at mercs and
their Hybrid Armor, Bunker Buster (uber crit chance and defense ignored),
Berserker, Maul (uber stun chance) and maybe Artillery Strike because its still the
only multi that ignores (10%) defense.

dude theres nothing wrong with hybrid armor, bunker or maul which BTW is BLOCKABLE by BH.
we dont have the luxury of lowering our enemy's defense or resistance
so we always have to muscle our way to victory. and thats what noobs who dont understand that mercs have no def/res debuff, call being a stat abuser.
why dont u look at 5 focus BH. it easily beats heal loopers, all it takes them is a simple lvl 1 energy shield and use robots to regain their hp back up.



Lord GaGa -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 12:41:28)

but AQ is a single player game you cant ask for accs... or see then to hack them
also the game is alot more mature and there has been multiple security
as ED is about 2 years old nearly
also ED cost alot more, so if anything was to happen to any ones weps or accounts..



aramcho213 -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 12:54:33)

Supported...



Epic Pwnser -> RE: Is a Knights of Order style team needed? (4/18/2011 12:56:05)

I agree with everything Thylek Shran said about balancing supercharge, the staff skills, and massacre.

I think if Titan and Nightwraith continue listening to our suggestions and are not just greedy money hungry people, then a Knights of Order is not needed.

If Titan and Nightwraith do not listen to our wants and start (or continue) with features into the game that keep sucking the money out of us varium players with nothing for the free players, then a KoO is needed.

This is my view.



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