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truc -> Very upset (5/2/2011 22:06:04)

Hello everyone...
It's trucos with rather less of a informative post but constructive.
It's recent that mages have been Up'd and are not as balanced then other classes.
I'm really fed up with the balances.
I encountered several fights against F2p players destroying me and my build even after it's tweak [4 builds 4 tweaks]
Still two merc'es with an average support build and other being strength put no thought on their build yet DESTROY ME!
Constant crits, constant stuns.

What do bounties & merc have that mages don't have.

Bounties:
Smokescreen- very abusive in strength builds and lowers your chance to connect
Shadow arts- A very dangerous passive that can save many bounties in fights
Massacre & SurgicStrike- LoL! What does supercharge have?
Bloodlust: Very abusive... very very if you get blocked it's as if the opponent get's a free turn and recovers few health.

Merc:
Atom smasher: Mages can't take away any energy above 10... that's jacked
Maul: Stun's screw up this game, especially if it's a str build.
Bezerk: If you have high str your most likely going to die if your a mage since you can't block as much as a bounty.

Regular tactics:
I put on Defense matrix
merc: strike
Me: Malf
merc:strike
me:aux
merc: uses maul before his rage and my defense matrix will not last next turn on his rage
me: panic', uses heal
Merc: [ my defense matrix wore off ] 17, 17, 54
Me: 19 health
Merc: 29
I get finished (yes this was a real fight he didn't even stun me and I still lose against a str abuser.

In fact artillery strike is the strongest 2v move from all the classes.

Now tell me... all we got is reroute...

I really want this post to be considered.
Please listen devs/admins.




AQWPlayer -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:12:21)

In my opinion:
Mercs are OP
Varium mercs and varium mages are OP



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:18:32)

Well in my opinion I'm afraid your wrong...
I'm pretty sure you need to be VERY skilled to play as a mage.
Other then that the only thing you can abuse is your heal, the amount, because the only way we have chances to win is our huge heal which requires high support.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:20:30)

quote:

Bounties:
Smokescreen- very abusive in strength builds and lowers your chance to connect
Shadow arts- A very dangerous passive that can save many bounties in fights
Massacre & SurgicStrike- LoL! What does supercharge have?
Bloodlust: Very abusive... very very if you get blocked it's as if the opponent get's a free turn and recovers few health.

Merc:
Atom smasher: Mages can't take away any energy above 10... that's jacked
Maul: Stun's screw up this game, especially if it's a str build.
Bezerk: If you have high str your most likely going to die if your a mage since you can't block as much as a bounty.

1) super charge is just as good as sugical
2) try strength mage with celtic cleaver and malf, thats deadlier)
3) plus deadly aim on str mage = beastly side arm.
4) Bh cant block that much? where did u come up with that insane fiction?
5) maul is only effective if it hits, its blockable. mage and BH is unblockable.
6) if its a high str merc, he will have little support. chances areif ur a mage u mostly likely use support. u lower hise chances of stunning u, by alot, if it hits u.
7) str mercs lack the defense/res, use that against them. its easy to 2-3 turn str mercs as a mage. even non vars.
8) use assimilation, it screws up strengh mercs alot. and it has damage so its like a normal strike that takes energy.

thats about it.



BlueKatz -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:28:29)

super charge is just as good as sugical : It's not, I did a big math table back there, too lazy to paste it and I think I lost it

try strength mage with celtic cleaver and malf, thats deadlier: not with BH around

plus deadly aim on str mage = beastly side arm: I have a prettive negative thinking about DA, it's not a big difference if you deal 14+9 and 20+9 when you can use other skill, hard to explain about this strategy

Bh cant block that much? where did u come up with that insane fiction? : 55% Block rate? Ummm

maul is only effective if it hits, its blockable. mage and BH is unblockable: 20% ignore kinda make it up, plus the awesum %

if its a high str merc, he will have little support. chances areif ur a mage u mostly likely use support. u lower hise chances of stunning u, by alot, if it hits u:
str mercs lack the defense/res, use that against them. its easy to 2-3 turn str mercs as a mage. even non vars.
I know a very good player with beasty STR build D: STR mre is really powerful

use assimilation, it screws up strengh mercs alot. and it has damage so its like a normal strike that takes energy.All Mer beside Str Mer have really good MP use mix up. Also with nice passive, they tent to abuse stat



tigura -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:29:36)

Hi trucos

I cant comment on some of the things you said, (as I have varium) but I do agree that it requires a lot of thought even for me, a varium mage, to win battles. I am often in situations where I only have 1 or 2 seconds left to choose my move, and against those pesky varium 5 focus mercs and BHs, boosters are almost a must to win. TM is my favourite class, and IMO the funnest by far, but there are some balance issues that need to be adressed. The biggest one is probably supercharge (and the other casting skills, but SC is the most UPed). Supercharge is useless. The only thing it is good for, is a guaranteed 20 damage. Of course, it costs 32 energy to use. Even with dex abuse, (100 or so dex), the crazy amounts of resist we see today (espcially with mercs) prevents one from doing damage over 40 (except in certain situations, like when your opponent has exceptionally low resist). The same is true with the other casting skills, but I have more of an issue with SC as it is the mage's high tier damage attack. Despite this, many good mages can survive using the other skills on the tree (malf, heal). However mages are mages and we should be using some sort of casting skill.



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:29:56)

1) You don't reduce rage.
2) strength on mage? Not as good as the other classes, not even close to 'deadly'
3) You tell me would you waste 8 points to do 4 more damage.
4) I never said jack crap about bounties can't block a lot.
5)Sadly, strength increases maul damage and for bounties and mages we can't abuse strength with stuns.
6)Luck takes place in this point... It still does more then an average strike. [experience]
7)Non var's can't do that! Non var weps cost more credits then var weps yet their weaker and we can't afford or barely afford enhances to increase dex/tech for defense.
8)Ok I will use assimilation, they'll go for maul after loosing energy to use bezerk, luck takes place again.

Edit: Thanks tigura for agreeing to my statement.
Other people will kill this thread thrashing what I said and backfire saying mages are strong enough, just because they want to keep up with their record/more wins.(towards bounties & merc



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:32:23)

quote:

Bh cant block that much? where did u come up with that insane fiction?

quote:

4) I never said jack crap about bounties can't block a lot.

woops my mistake got it confused.
thought u said BH cant block as much as mage.


but guys seriously.
those people who say str merc is OP
never actualy put themselves in the shoes of a str merc.
i been a str merc, and anyone else who been a str merc will agree that they are not as OP as u guys make them out to be.



BlueKatz -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:36:14)

@gold I actually see 1 beastly STR Mer yesterday and just look I already know I can't take him
It's simple than people though, an above average STR, maybe Str buff (can't remember) and most of all: HP abuse
It works really well against any other build I can possibly think of. Maybe only BH can win against it

too bad I can't take a closer look



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:36:39)

Well goldslayer some str merces can get slaughtered but don't be surprised seeing a str merc winning daily.
It can either be quick kill or quick death lacking def/res for less damage against them.



Wraith -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:38:47)

^I have tried. I now no longer think that they are OP. It normally goes like this aginst BH. Maul block zerk block. pistol. strike block. Massacre you die. But yet still, you get a decent 85%+ win rate. It is just to fact that you have no chance to shield sometimes. I still however hate the merc class.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:39:24)

quote:

Well goldslayer some str merces can get slaughtered but don't be surprised seeing a str merc winning daily.
It can either be quick kill or quick death lacking def/res for less damage against them.

exactly. when i was a str merc i kept getting 3 turned by mages.
i dont see how u guys have problems.

@blue
when i was mage only 1 str merc got lucky on me out of like 200 fights.
its not OP as u think it is.



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:40:35)

I want some of these points being addressed spending as much time as possible on this thread!



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:42:21)

@TRUC
i just adressed some of them.
most of the people who say a certain build is OP. they never put themselves in that build, they only say its OP because they get whooped by them. and thats a big difference from being on that build's shoes than being beat by it.
if u get beat by str mercs too much, then there something wrong with ur build.



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:44:01)

Addressed meaning sent to devs/admins?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:46:38)

@truc
str mercs aren't a problem. they aren't OP.
people say super charge is bad.
get as much tech and lvl of skill as a surgical merc, it will be just as good.
even better, because u have reroute so u will require less energy allowing u to malf before using it.



edwardvulture -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:50:40)

Assilimate?



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:51:56)

I never said Str merc is OP!
why are you jumping into your own conclusions!
Iv'e said that sometimes luck messes the match up.



Agiluz -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:52:04)

@edwardvulture
Tech mage's new skill that steals energy while attacking at the same time with 3 turn cooldown



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 22:58:59)

quote:

Iv'e said that sometimes luck messes the match up.

right i know what u mean, u know malfing, crit aux, crit gun
definitely affects the whole match.
its luck, u make it out to be as if str mercs are the luckiest.
dont forget alot of str mercs have real sloppy builds.
only smart ones use smart str merc builds.
and those are the ones with the 80%
while sloppy ones are 60-80%



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 23:04:57)

Perhaps it's mages who crit more.
But what is most annoying is a str merc finishing me first two shots. [maul, bezerk]
It IMPACTS the fight if you are stunned by it.
Unlike a mage a simple crit can't change the whole fight unless it's K.O crit.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 23:14:19)

@truc
my mage build, i got stunned, then zerker, still won after that.
no excuses, find a better build.



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 23:23:50)

Before I TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN. I don't want to flame!
Look, I'm non varium you still seem to not understand my points.
Therefore, leave this post; I don't care about your mage acc.
I tweak builds been here in alpha, I don't need to here your commentary.
I don't need a sarcastic remark telling me to find a better build.

I'm 110% sure if we went 1 v1 non var weps only I would have more then 20 health before I see you fall to the ground.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 23:28:45)

@truc
u seem to assume im a mage.
i only speek from my point of view, on the builds i have been.
i class changed many times and tried many builds.
have u been a str merc?
a 5 focus merc/bh/tech mage?
a support merc/bh/techmage?
a dex mage/bh?
tech mage/bh merc?
str mage/bh/merc?



truc -> RE: Very upset (5/2/2011 23:31:51)

Iv'e tried being a var mage 5 focus.
I tried 5 focus merc level 33.
Bounty Iv'e never tried but I'm sure if I did try I would have good tactics for it.

Edit: No more of this argument.
Notice: I assume you are a mage, actually you approved at the post above.
You burned yourself out.



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