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Mr. Black OP -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:01:13)

@above
we cant have that high of str anymore, too many requirements and 2 little pay off with stat diminishing
also a support tm can have a DM with 30+ def
and im talkin about BM not BH



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:03:46)

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we cant have that high of str anymore, too many requirements and 2 little pay off with stat diminishing
also a support tm can have a DM with 30+ def
and im talkin about BM not BH

30+ def on matrix requires 111-135 support.
and even then it might be below 30
but u still wont be hitting 3s
and im talking about BM too.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:06:14)

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a good str BH wont be hitting 3s
use 111-135 str and u wont hit 3s. it will be VERY hard and unusual to hit 3s

then y did u say str bh?



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:07:30)

@zman

bleh type fail i meant str BM.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:12:52)

then no 5% at max to go 1st.. maybe resistance to stun at 5% at max or a 5% to connect
and even though bm is about quick kills they should have at least some defensive capabilities as every other class has at least 1 shield



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:14:36)

@zman
it doesn't have defensive skills. thats why it has intimidate.
and if u use assimilation right u can stop quite alot of attacks from happening to u.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:15:58)

@above
intimidate only weakens guns and primaries and some skills, and ppl can just use assault bot, and also with the gamma bot they can bot, aux, bot special, bot, aux etc



Yo son -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:41:24)

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well theres alway an odd bunch that complain and complain even over the slightest thing. i just ignore them.


Am really beginning to hate you goldslayer1. As long as your part of the strong class, you probably don't care one single bit, about how uneven the other class are. you'll what i like to describe as a selfish person, and that goes for anyone that tells me that Merc, or Tac Merc isn't Oped. Ofcourse is easy for you to believe that a class without any physical shield is at anywhere at the same competing level as a class with hybrid, reroute, smoke, double strike, surgical strike, artillery, poison. And if you tell me your not selfish for believing that, then your a complete fool.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:47:29)

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Am really beginning to hate you goldslayer1. As long as your part of the strong class, you probably don't care one single bit, about how uneven the other class are. you'll what i like to describe as a selfish person, and that goes for anyone that tells me that Merc, or Tac Merc isn't Oped. Ofcourse is easy for you to believe that a class without any physical shield is at anywhere at the same competing level as a class with hybrid, reroute, smoke, double strike, surgical strike, artillery, poison. And if you tell me your not selfish for believing that, then your a complete fool.

lol u hate me because im a tac merc?
thats very biased. i been blood mage and CH.



Yo son -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:50:59)

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i been blood mage and CH.

Delta has only been 3 days, in those 3 days, you tried BM and CH, but now your a TLM, chances are you changed back to TLM the same day you switched to BM and CH; what do you think that says gold?



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 0:54:32)

@yo son
i changed to TLM yesterday
anyways the reason i changed to TLM is because of str TLM.
i like fast kill builds and str TLM is one of them

also yo son if u have any problem with battles. u might wanna take a second look at ur gear u dont exactly have the best ones.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:04:10)

@ Yo Son

You hate the fact that your powerless to stop tactical mercs, that your completely outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now, all of the time like the people of Delta V have, fools, how do you think I felt when you mages heal looped the crap out of me when I was a crappy hunter, and again when Bh with shadow arts appeared and rendered all of our attacks and weapons useless, well now it's your turn I hope you enjoy it.



edwardvulture -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:25:24)

This is different. Tactical Mercs have 2 passives that doesn't require luck. They have a debuff and they have a blood luck like skill. However OPed hL mages were back in beta, it can't compare.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:29:01)

@edvard
frenzy has 3 turn cooldown and is only effective with str builds.
at the most u will only be able to use it once if u use it when u actually need it.
altho ill be smart and use it right when im 25 hp below my max hp ;)



xxmirxx -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:42:00)

You know dev's have never try my way. Guys please stop talking about TLM I want buff ch and mages. like change skills but please stop complain about TLM its getting No were try think of skills you want change.



edwardvulture -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:50:20)

@gold Well if you fight tanks and they rage with it they get about 12 back and I hit six on them and get screwed and its definatedly Oped coupled with reroute.
The thing about TLM is that it gets almost the best out of 3 classes.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 1:53:21)

@edvard
well it has a 3 turn cooldown
so the chances of it being used on a rage if they used it once already is slim unless they decide to wait a turn or 2 by using hp boosters in which case they still get more hp. and that also depends on the %
u said 12 so if its lvl 3 and they hit a 24 well then thats fine. but its a 1 time skill cant be compared to blood lust like others compare it.
and this can be blocked aswell.



King FrostLich -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 2:24:58)

Hmm as far as I'm concerned, frenzy and reroute combined are very deadly. First of all frenzy gives health by a % of damage. With reroute to recover back the mana depending on how much damage the merc can do with frenzy, mercs can either heal loop or life steal infinitely. Stronger damage using frenzy just gives more health and with reroute to be there, it's just totally overpowered ADD smokescreen as well then I dunno what even happens.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 2:27:42)

@king
everyone just forgets the cooldown and the fact that u need to have a maxxed out reroute to get best energy. and max frenzy for best hp results.
and im sure u will max out hybrid
thats already 30 points u only got 2 left.
that can either go for the stun or atom smasher or on both. and each will be lvl 1 or 2
thats not a very good build.



King FrostLich -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 2:33:24)

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everyone just forgets the cooldown and the fact that u need to have a maxxed out reroute to get best energy.


Uhmm I'm a blood mage already.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 2:35:07)

@king
im talking about Tac merc

speaking of bloodmage i just got beat by 2 in a row.



Yo son -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 4:33:13)

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You hate the fact that your powerless to stop tactical mercs, that your completely outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now, all of the time like the people of Delta V have, fools, how do you think I felt when you mages heal looped the crap out of me when I was a crappy hunter, and again when Bh with shadow arts appeared and rendered all of our attacks and weapons useless, well now it's your turn I hope you enjoy it.


Wow that's Angel, always a band-wagoner, will always join the Oped class, ED most selfish spoiled brat.
And Btw have any of you ever noticed that heal loop was they only build that worked for mages? but I look at Mercs, or Tac mercs, and I see so many options, tank-> strength->support->5 focus and more; and guess what? they are all funner builds than heal loop. "well now it's your turn I hope you enjoy it," weren't you a mage, when heal loop was popular? oh let me guess again, you just don't care which class your in, as long as they class your in is they strongest. I can bet 1 mill that if another class become Oped, ur going to change to it, that also goes for you gold.

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speaking of bloodmage i just got beat by 2 in a row.

Was that by pure luck, because last time a beat a tac merc, I blocked his robot twice (+5 focus), and critical on him once. And yes, He was a lvl 30 tank tac merc. :(



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 4:42:01)

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Wow that's Angel, always a band-wagoner, will always join the Oped class, ED most selfish spoiled brat.
And Btw have any of you ever noticed that heal loop was they only build that worked for mages? but I look at Mercs, or Tac mercs, and I see so many options, tank-> strength->support->5 focus and more; and guess what? they are all funner builds than heal loop. "well now it's your turn I hope you enjoy it," weren't you a mage, when heal loop was popular? oh let me guess again, you just don't care which class your in, as long as they class your in is they strongest. I can bet 1 mill that if another class become Oped, ur going to change to it, that also goes for you gold.


well excuse my for trying to gain more experience with other classes.
but seriously u dont even have top notch gear so u shouldn't be complaining if u loose to someone with top notch gear.
and im willing to bet ur build isn't good anyways.
cause the bloodmages i met all had good builds
u mages wanted fast kills for a long time now that u got it. u QQ because its % isn't high enough.
how pathetic..

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Was that by pure luck, because last time a beat a tac merc, I blocked his robot twice (+5 focus), and critical on him once. And yes, He was a lvl 30 tank tac merc. :(

one was a tank BM with energy bunker. and another one was a str bm
the energy bunker beat me without problem he just robot aux and energy bunker (no crits)
the str bloodmage blocked me once but he had more dex than i did.



Yo son -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 5:26:49)

@ gold. Ok, I have Frostbane, soul ripper, rixty ripper, the egg zookas, the Kringle bot, oblivion staff, boomstick, plasma ACP. all fully enhanced, the highest stats point a full varium player like me can have more than me, is about 7, that because I dont have stun guns which allows 8 enhancements, nor do I have the warbot armor or Brog armor. So dont tell me my weapon is top noche.



goldslayer1 -> RE: No to Nerfs and Yes to Buffs. (7/2/2011 5:55:03)

@yo son
i didn't say ur weps were top notch i said they WEREN'T top notch.
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