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Lenofor -> Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 22:54:59)

So, i made a cyber hunter and made an high supp, tech and mid dex , str, i've been playing him for arround 5-6 hours and i got to say, this class seriously need an hybrid armor or an bloodlust passive skill because it got no survivability at all, they can actually do decent damage with high tech build, malf + assault bot usually do 50 dmg but after that they are done, they can't mantain themselves on the battlefield, massacre is completely useless in that build because it is a high str skill and high str's have NO place here, if you got low deffenses you are dead because the deffenses are low by default, so that is it.



Retrosaur -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 22:56:28)

Story of my life bro



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:02:15)

I take that you are wasting my time?



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:16:42)

Thank God somebody finally had the guts to try out this class and demonstrate for everyone that a class just can't work without passives.

I simply cannot believe that the devs think this class is usable. The thought is ridiculous. If you could post some numbers or minute-by-minutes of your battles it would help accent your point, which is a very good and important one.

CH NEEDS A PASSIVE.



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:23:09)

What you mean by numbers and minute-by-minute? You want for me to resume how i do on battles like win streaks? If so i will gladly will and yes, CH needs a HP regen passive or an passive armor, shadow arts alone is extremely unreliable



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:31:26)

ch have 1 passive SA, too bad it has a ridiculously high support requirement, is completely luck based, and needs is at the bottom of the skill tree
merc have 1 passive, its has no requirement, works 100% of the time while SA only works 10% at max, and is at the top of the skill tree
just give CH hybrid, BL, or hell even DA wld help a lot



HellsCupid -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:33:12)

Lol, i have been a CH since it came out, i've racked 1k wins with 200 losses, just horrible.



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:34:34)

@zman Agreed, but personally, i would prefer for we swap our defense matrix for TLM's hybrid and if that does not happen, just give us blood lust as tier 1



HellsCupid -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:35:46)

I don't want Bloodlust, we'll basically become BH's. Hybrid is more reasonable.



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:37:05)

Yes i think that too i would prefer 100 times more if we got hybrid, but we know how will this request turn out right?



Xendran -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:38:03)

http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=19297492

This solution works ;o



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:40:14)

@above
i was just reading that then i came back to this thread and u posted a link to it lol coincidence?



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:41:33)

@xendran Yes it's nice, but i still think that we need an shield passive, your tree changes nothing, just make stactic passive and gives us an multi we need ways to heal and increase armor passively



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:41:57)

I was thinking something like this:
First battle, fighting tactical mercinary, level 33 varium, using a 125 hp high strength delta maul build.

I go first because of higher support and use level 7 malfunction but dealing only 12 damage because of my low strength and his hybrid armor powered defenses.
He casts smokescreen anyway.
I put on a level 2 defense matrix.
He uses maul, which connects and does 34 damage.
I use maxed static charge, but it gets blocked. That's 10 stat points of the build wasted.
He uses a strike, dealing 25 damage.
I heal.
He uses rage double strike, dealing 40 damage.
I'm in a corner now. I could boost, but it would only delay the inevitable. The merc still has over 100 hp and I am almost dead. I use cheap shot which crits, giving him the energy to finish me with a flashy looking maul.

That's my guess of how your battles go, but please do fill in the reality.



Xendran -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:43:07)

Lenofor: it allows you to not put any points into energy and not have to waste a turn using static shock. It also allows you to gain energy on every attack including skills, not just a strike, which allows you to heal. You still have shadow arts, and you gain the lethal Malf + Plasma Cannon (25% Crit) combo, as well as the addition of Spark Blitz (Double strike) for additional damage under malf.

Malf + Plasma Cannon + Spark Blitz + Shock Infusion would be an absolutely lethal convo with the right stats, but naturally you're giving up some defense if you want to make that combo have enough power to get you the energy to use them all back to back (Thats a VERY large chunk of energy)



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:44:08)

Oh so you want details of my matches, ok i'll post only one because i'm getting tired and i'm going to sleep after this

@xendran Have you played as a CH? Our deffenses are VERY weak, so we have to heal all the time, in 2 turns our HP drops alot, and with the 4 cooldown of the normal heal we will die fast in 1v1.Sure we can heal once but after that it's over, unless we luck out and dodge with shadow arts or deflect his projectiles and as i said, shadow arts is unreliable, it's pure luck.



Xendran -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:49:12)

CH Defences are the same as every non hybrid class. This is why i pumped the offence with two additional damage skills and making static charge passive.



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/15/2011 23:49:27)

Meh, I would actually prefer if Hybrid Armor stayed with original mercinarys only. Making static charge passive (an energy equivalent of bloodlust, if you will) would make for fascinating strategic options.

The defenses of CH are just as weak as that of BH, actually they are arguably better. (Technician is not a skill to underestimate.) And BH gets along just fine.

With passive static charge you could quite effectively stay alive using high hp and high level heal, while gaining back more energy to heal with by damageing your opponent. Throw in level 4 malf, and there's your support build.
With Technician and Defense matrix backed up with high dexterity and static charge you could make a formidable robot or tank build.
With static charge and Xendran's proposed attack skills you could easily make a strength build.

Your class doesn't need Hybrid Armor, and with passive static charge instead you'd make a formidable and very different challenge for all opponents.



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 0:05:31)

As of your request Giras i'll post my last battle of today :

Ok so it starts with a lvl 33 TLM with high support build;
I lucked out and start first (she had 81 + 36 supp) i have 50 + 9;
I malf her with 17 dmg then she imediately use assault bot's special debuff skill;
I decide to use plasma bomb(30% stun chance) and managed to stun her, did cheap shot and did 21 dmg on her (i got lvl 2 cheap shot btw);
Her HP was half gone so she heals to full HP but i noticed that with her remaining MP she could do some nasty things with me so i EMP her leaving her with only 1 MP;
She uses her aux on me wich was a croc aux and did 33 dmg, leaving me with 28 of HP, my MP by this point was 9 but i got rage and i rage crit static on her doing 28 dmg and recovered some MP;
She shot her charfade pistol on me and did 26 dmg on me leaving me with 2 HP, with the ammount of MP that i got from static i did a LVL 1 heal and got back on 38 HP;
She lost one turn because of lag (lucky me) so i used assault bot and did 27 damage on her, she was left with 30 HP and i was confident i would win but she raged normal atk on me and ended up leaving me with 4 HP, so it was my turn and since i was with such low HP i used booster and got to 29 HP, she used charfade pistol but i deflected and she did only 12 dmg, leaving me with 17 HP;
I lucky crited with my frostbolt blaster 2 hits of 20 dmg and she died. Nice way to end a day



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 0:11:56)

@Giras Yes, i see what you are suggesting and it looks good, but it's not on our hands, it's on Titan's and Nightwraith's. I pray they will read our bajilion topics about class improvements

EDIT: Sorry about the double post



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 0:13:43)

That, ladies and gentleman, is how much luck it takes to win a battle with no passives. (No offense to you, but you went first, stunned her, and deflected with low support, and she missed a turn.)

Thanks for posting, Lenofor.



edwardvulture -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 0:41:06)

^Yes finally someone els that doesn't view shadow arts as a passve.
@lenofer-Thats hilarious



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 0:43:45)

^It's a passive in the same way Deadly Aim is a passive. It certaintly has uses, but it can't hold a class together.



DillBagel -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 4:50:46)

I'm having fun with my cyber hunter, but a passive static charge would be helpful.



Lenofor -> RE: Honest CH Review (7/16/2011 10:33:52)

Today has been an better day than yesterday, i don't know if i'm lucking out but my win rate is getting alot better, i defeated some tact mercs both on 1v1 and 2v2 and i have to say, the Stactic Charge if passive would help alot this class



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