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Angels Holocaust -> Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:27:37)

Goldslayer1 and I have been talking about making the armors more deserving to the dedicated players. We needed an armor that was actually worth our time. Currently this is the idea, check it out and don't forget to discuss.



Bronze shop: Quest chain
Quest #1: requires 100 wins
Quest #2: requires to turn in 500 tokens
Quest #3: requires to turn in an item that you have to buy in another shop for 5k credits
Quest #4: requires 200 wins.
each quest requires the old one to be done. so you cant unlock quest 2 unless u do quest 1

Rewards: low lvl armors and/or weapons (you can easily take suggestions from suggestion forums and put in already flashed ideas by the players so you dont waste time on it and of course they would be rewarded with their badge) weapons range from lvl 16-20

Silver Shop: quest chain
Quest #1: requires 200 wins and 100 tokens
Quest #2: requires 1000 tokens
Quest #3: requires for u to buy an item that costs 15K credits in a shop and turn it in.
Quest #4: requires 400 wins

Rewards: armors and/or weapons ranging from lvl 21-25 (again take suggested weapons to make this go faster)

Gold shop: Quest chain
Quest #1: requires 500 wins and 250 tokens
Quest #2: requires 2000 tokens
Quest #3: requires for you to buy an item that costs 40k and turn it in at the shop
Quest #4: requires 1000 wins

Rewards: armors and/or weapons ranging from lvl 26-30 (take some suggested items so NW dont have to work on these since they might be underused at high lvls)


Platinum shop: quest chain
Quest #1: requires 1000 wins and 1000 tokens
Quest #2: requires 2000 tokens
Quest #3: requires for you to buy an item at a shop that costs 100k credits and turn that item in.
Quest #4: requires for you to buy another item that costs 100k and turn it in.
Quest #5: requires for you to get 2000 wins.
Quest #6: requires for you to turn in 5000 tokens
Quest #7: requires 5000 wins

Rewards: armors AND weapons ranging from lvl 31-lvl cap these are the ones NW works on and makes them look good and stuff
these weapons and armors will have varium and non var items alike.
most should be varium, and have all types of good items. like varuim armors better than bunny borg.
or non varium armors with +7 res/def at lvl 33 with decent stats

now heres the tricky part. if you have to get the previous quest chain to unlock the next one.
so u start out with bronze, but you cant start silver unless you get bronze, and you cant get gold quest chain unless you get silver
and u cant get the platinum quest unless u have the gold quest chain done

UNDERSTAND that this isn't something that your average player can or should get. its has to be hard.
take a look at AQW hard quest chains. Nulgath and Dage they are hard. and the rewards are well worth it.



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:32:25)

Note : This Game Is Called EpicDuel,Not EpicQuest.

Not Supported,I dont wanna waste time getting this armor.By the time most people get this armor,A new one will be out.

As I said,Not supported.-Sonya



Sipping Cider -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:35:06)

This would be great for any other artix entertainment game, but since epicduel is based off of PvP this would cause great unbalance in my opinion



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:35:45)

@sonya
this isn't just for armors
this is a place where active pro players can get exclusives powerfull items. this includes non vars.
and it makes it so that u have something to do all the time.
why would u want to just battle.
when u can battle and unlock special exclusive shops that has great gear that will help u in more battles.



Razen -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:36:10)

^: You do give a good point, but if it breaks the game then it isn't good. D:

At your last point, you are comparing a dress up game to a PvP MMO. Surely not a good move.

Anyways, while dedicated players should get rewarded, it shouldn't mean that only they can win because they have ridiculously overpowered equipment.

So, if it is as good as a standard armor and given better looks and maybe a few more stat points, then that's fine. But, +9 Def/Res or +10 Def/Res armors should NOT be done in this sort of manner. The balance between varium and non-varium is already bad. The balance between dedicated and non-dedicated is pretty bad as well. Do not try to break the bar, it's already been pushed.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:39:53)

@razen
no u dont understand
this is for exclusive powerfull items.

so if ur conventional weapon that just recently came out has 35 stats.
the one in the platinum shop will be 36 stats (only 1 stat stronger)
if a gun comes out with 27 stats, the one in the platinum shop will have 28
(same damage)
this is basically a way to rewards active players.

and im not comparing this to a "dress up" game
its just that ED could use some type of farming with the base root requirements of PVing.
its not really "farming" when u do what the game intends u to do.

it wont break the game lol.
it just gives those dedicated players who spent all that time gettings wins and tokens and credits for those item to turn in
so that they can get access to slightly stronger weapons and stuff.
(remember this includes non variums)
PLUS this isn't something that ur average newb will get. so u wont have lvl 29s coming and getting the best gear in the game
the items in the shop will have the same cost as regular weps just slightly stronger with a load of hard work to unlock that shop.



Feral Ninja -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:40:05)

Not supported.

The idea sounds nice but when put in practice... It WILL fail.

Why?
Because those ''Exclusive Items'' would be overpriced and overpowered.

However, if those items were just exclusive items that are NOT overpowered compared to Varium/Non Varium items, then I could reconsider my support vote.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:40:44)

so im not the only one against it... thank god thought i was going insane
if they release content for less then one hundredth of the community will even be willing to do it wld be a waste, also when a few ppl get it everyone will be beat senselessly, and quit or just avoid fighting... all in all terrible idea and i hope it wont be implemented, if it had the same stats as other armors and was only there to be an emblem of skill or perseverance that would be ok
quote:

most should be varium, and have all types of good items. like varuim armors better than bunny borg.
or non varium armors with +7 res/def at lvl 33 with decent stats

also against this, if 2 players of equal skill, that do an equally hard quest, shldnt they be rewarded equally? especially if one is at a disadvantage



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:41:21)

@Gold : Your only point That I see in your post is,That if you have no life you can get the best equipment Soon.

If i wanted to do all that I would play AQ,So no...I signed up to duel not do quests...Sorry not supported!

-Sonya



Razen -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:43:27)

@Goldslayer1: All that I wrote after that "^:" was addressed to the first post, not yourself. And, as I said, one or so stat points would be fine(in my opinion). But, I was referring to some of the absurd suggestions Angels and some others(my memory forgets their names) had given...Now again, +1 stat point over your average gear doesn't seem to be a huge advantage to me.

@zman2: A good point, since profit is quite important. Balance can amazingly be maintained and the idea be taken into consideration, using Goldslayer1's idea of just +1 stat point over your average weaponry.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:44:23)

@everyone who thinks the items will be super OP.
they wont be super OP. its not gonna be like a charfade launcher vs eggzooka type of thing.
like i said if ur currrent best wep has 35 stats the exclusive shop will sell the same weapon but with 36 stats.

@everyone who thinks only no lifes can get it
1st off this is optional u dont have to do it. u can get the normal items and be 1 stat less below the new standard


@zman
only 1 point above the current standard
and delta weps isn't the stanard BTW. delta weps are lvl 34s so these standard weps should be lvl 33.



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:45:06)

@Gold,So your telling me we have to do everything Angels Mentioned For 1 more stat? insanity...

-Sonya



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:47:05)

@sonya
no im not saying u have to. im saying its optional and a great way for active people to enjoy this game.
the idea and base requirements are made by me BTW
altho it was inspired by Angel.

with all of the hard work thats put in to unlock the platinum shop which will contain exclusive weapons i think 1 stat is well deserved if not too little.



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:48:15)

But we want The Armors To be Different Not the same ole stuff.

-Sonya



VIX -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:49:22)

Supported !

-VIX



Sipping Cider -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:49:34)

Well if its not that much better to the point where it determines who wins a battle, then i could change my opinion

It would a good substitute for fame since whoever has it would be famous

And quest chains are fun even in a PvP game



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:49:55)

@sonya
the difference is that random players will not come and get the best gear in the game.
the active players who play and support this game will even tho its only by like 1 stat difference.
and like i said its well deserved.



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:50:49)

@Sun ! The armors are gonna be RaRe i cant remember who but somebody got rainaka to cough i think.

So if its a rare good luck on getting it like this :D

-Sonya



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:53:26)

1 question tho
y does it require u to buy a wep then sell it to them, if it opens a shop wouldnt u need the credits? just seems kinda redundant to me especially at the silver and bronze level and to a lesser extent the gold



TTG Sean -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:54:37)

If anyone would do this for one stat there insane xD



Fatal Impact -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:54:42)

Not Supported.



...Sonya... -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 19:55:20)

@Gold, Just So You know.

A player who has bought 1.250 varium and has 2 wins.

Has supported this game more then a non var with 60k wins.

Its not the actives who support it,Its the people who pay.

Hope its available in a shop.

-Sonya



goldslayer1 -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 20:00:17)

@sonya
well this isn't something u can do in a week's work.
however i will explain some more on how the platinum shop would work.

if a new weapon comes out.
and it has lets say
a sword
+9 dex
+9 tech
+9 support
+8 slots
+33 damage
at lvl 33

that same weapon gets put into the exclusive platinum shop (possibly all the other ones too but with lower stats and lvl reqs that suit their lvl range well)

so that stats in the platinum shop would be
a sword
+9 dex
+9 tech
+9 support
+9 slots
+33 damage

the same cost same everything. but with an extra stat. this is something that lots of active players will benefit from.
so while that average players gets the weapon from NW i can get it from this shop with the same credit and varium price but with an extra stat. this will cause ED to get more active and do quest while they do what the game is intended to do which is PvP.
so u get the quests done unlock the shops and u get items to help u what ur supose to do, pvp.

@ttg
this would only take a month or 2 for the average active player (100-200 wins a day)
and they deserve to have the perks

quote:

1 question tho
y does it require u to buy a wep then sell it to them, if it opens a shop wouldnt u need the credits? just seems kinda redundant to me especially at the silver and bronze level and to a lesser extent the gold

well originally i thought of just turning in credits. but the coding on that might be a bit complex to turn credits in. so buying an item at that price then turning the item in is much easier.


@sonya
well i dont really see it that way. but u have a good point.
however if that non var did do 60k wins, i think he deserves more than that player who got 1250 varium and only got 2 wins.




TTG Sean -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 20:02:09)

Dude What are you going to do with one stat



Sipping Cider -> RE: Improved Armor Discussion (7/19/2011 20:02:09)

@Sonya, your right about the supporting the game part, but i think this armor costs a lot of varium and since you can sell all the promos from the epic varium supply the credit part is not a problem. It seems like the thing that does not make sense is the battle tokens.

As for respecting players that have played this game longer that is what factions are for. That is where you spend your excess battle tokens, varium, and credits.

Also, Achievements are also a way to make those that have lots of battle tokens feel special



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