RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (Full Version)

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Rayman -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:22:15)

Lord nub: the special effect does some Dmg too




Basicball -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:24:26)

@nub: it does dmg while disableing, but notiby less then other bot attacks,it goes in the bot space, and thus can not be used together with another bot




Lord Nub -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:27:24)

@Rayman Yes I gathered that after the post. When peeps are all typing messages at the same time that happens lol.

Anyway wasn't Gamma Bot free? I think I got that in a package about 5 times after buying 10k packs and selling the things.

It's good it does a little damage in addition to the special and I wonder how much that will be???

Will the next bot disable Primary?

Will we be able to equip a bot and an animal?

I think this could get pretty creative and hopefully open us up to more creative builds.

I doubt I'm the only one tired of smoke, strike/maul, strike, strike/mass.




rej -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:47:18)

I just hope that the damage is slightly higher than gammas, and that it's normal attack is physical rather than energy. otherwise, despte it's cuteness, i probobly won't be buying it.




Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:55:22)

excuse me? Higher than gamma's, heck no lol.




rej -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:57:04)

^why shouldn't it not be higher? if it's not, very few players will buy it.




Arcanis -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:57:07)

Lets pretend for a second I am a mage with primary physical staff,energy gun and energy zooka.
I press 1v1,with high probability I will run into TacMerc,most likely the strenght one. We all know how game mostly follows math so
he will probably go first even though he might as well have more than 60 support less than me. He uses yeti. I can't use my most offensive weapons for 2 more turns
and I wait till he takes me roughly in what,4,5 rounds? Cause we all know biggest issue at this game is gun and zooka abusers.

*clap clap clap*

Now,not to make barbecue while the rabbit is still in forest,but judging by explanations given out so far I,stupid as I may be,can conclude only the following:

1. Someone whos idea this was doesn't even play this game any more,or even ever played
2. Simple logic- if game consists of highly percentage of strength builds,and apparently this yeti looks like mostly useful to them,sales of this bot
should sky-rocket cause it practically guarantees win over any nonstrength build/class. I truly,truly hope ED hasn't sink so low to start exploiting player base for item ideas that way.

As I said,its all still in guessing phase based only on previous posts. As a matter of fact,I would also like to hear input of your balance team whom,I suppose,already tested this new feature and came to conclusion that it is beneficial to all classes in same manner. If not,then you either need a new team,a new idea of the item itself, a new approach to the game in whole cause you sure as hell won't get new players to this broken system you call Epic Duel.





Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 17:58:14)

It shouldnt be higher, because then it would be to OPED.




rej -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:00:14)

quote:

Lets pretend for a second I am a mage with primary physical staff,energy gun and energy zooka.
I press 1v1,with high probability I will run into TacMerc,most likely the strenght one. We all know how game mostly follows math so
he will probably go first even though he might as well have more than 60 support less than me. He uses yeti. I can't use my most offensive weapons for 2 more turns
and I wait till he takes me roughly in what,4,5 rounds? Cause we all know biggest issue at this game is gun and zooka abusers.

*clap clap clap*

Now,not to make barbecue while the rabbit is still in forest,but judging by explanations given out so far I,stupid as I may be,can conclude only the following:

1. Someone whos idea this was doesn't even play this game any more,or even ever played
2. Simple logic- if game consists of highly percentage of strength builds,and apparently this yeti looks like mostly useful to them,sales of this bot
should sky-rocket cause it practically guarantees win over any nonstrength build/class. I truly,truly hope ED hasn't sink so low to start exploiting player base for item ideas that way.

As I said,its all still in guessing phase based only on previous posts. As a matter of fact,I would also like to hear input of your balance team whom,I suppose,already tested this new feature and came to conclusion that it is beneficial to all classes in same manner. If not,then you either need a new team,a new idea of the item itself, a new approach to the game in whole cause you sure as hell won't get new players to this broken system you call Epic Duel.

I'm sorry to say this, but ed sunk that low years ago.
Remember the first valtentines day release? yeah. All items in the set featured insane support (exept for cupids sorrow and perhaps one gun). And they were released right near the peak of heal looping.




Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:05:46)

Lol, funny, the mage weapons did give the most support too. XD

Conspiracy lol.




wario the great -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:06:21)

another blow to tech mages who are already at an all time low. great job....




rej -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:06:56)

quote:

Lol, funny, the mage weapons did give the most support too. XD

Conspiracy lol.

why would they need a conspiracy when they're the ones making the game? O.O




Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:14:53)

True dat lol. ^^




drinde -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:41:08)

Bleh...

Looks like Deadly Aim will be rendered useless. Actually, why not just reduce Damage Output instead of throwing the whole slam into a cooldown? :(

Aux + Gun + Cooldown = Dead TechMagi.




Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 18:58:37)

This is a very unique addition to the game, and it will add many advantages and disadvantages for the various classes/builds.

I will view this more as a tool for possible multi-tier playing. It might be a possibility that more equip-able tools will be added, so the dueling aspect will carry more skills and strategy beyond the bare stat/skill sets.

I will enjoy this release with the new event.




Ashari -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:02:02)

The Yeti will not do more damage than the Gamma Bot. Gamma Bot is a damage only bot, so it will always have a better base damage than bots with actual special effects.


There will be some more balance changes next week, including switching out at least one Tactical Mercenary skill and quite a few number adjustments on existing skills which should help address some of the issues brought up. Quite a few skills, not just on Tech Mages, aren't performing as well as they should. The only conspiracy is that there are only 24 hours in a day! We definitely need more. :P




Jekyll -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:04:12)

@Ashari: Release still on for today?




Basicball -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:09:04)

@ shari: there's on magical day that has 25 hours ;) unfortunatly, that day is not today :3




Sparticus -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:21:19)

As I stated earlier and some have also mentioned, this Bot (the yeti is just that, a Bot) does not prevent STR builds from doing overwhelming damage. I was wondering why I was seeing so many MODs change classes but now I understand completely. If you're attacking someone with your Primary weapon almost the entire battle, this Bot is useless against you.

Nerfs poor TM to death, their guns with deadly aim will sit idle
Nerfs 2v2 builds that use AUX, then their multi when the opposing player can nerf your AUX before you get a turn.(low level noobs need this Bot)
Nerfs support builds of all classes and focus builds where you have only two attacks(BOT and AUX)




drodrae -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:28:03)

Let's check the Baby Yeti special "omnomnom" in a simulated battle.

1st Turn: You use zooka. (3 CD)
2nd Turn: Enemy uses Baby Yeti special. (+2 CD to zooka, Gun) (3 CD to Yeti)
3rd Turn: (5 CD to Zooka, 2 to Gun)
4th Turn: (3 CD to Yeti)
5th Turn: (4 CD Zooka, 1 to Gun)
6th Turn: (2 CD to Yeti)
7th Turn: (3 CD Zooka)
8th Turn: (1 CD to Yeti)
9th Turn: (2 CD to Zooka)
10th Turn: Enemy use Baby Yeti special. (+2 CD to zooka, Gun AGAIN) (3 CD to Yeti)
11th Turn: 3 CD TO ZOOKA LOL YOU JUST USED ZOOKA ONCE IN 11 TURNS.

Well, that's one halluva nerf for Support. Time to go Str. :|




edwardvulture -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:30:31)

The yeti should have been able to hit a 40% reduction on the opponents highest stat for 4 turns. That would stop strength builds and every other spammer builds.




Ashari -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:35:57)

drodrae, we've actually made a change to the Yeti's special ability to prevent situations like this. Since it has such a powerful mechanic, the special will only be usable once per opponent in each battle.

This will make the bot a bit more fair to support builds, and prevent it from completely shutting down certain builds.




State Alchemist -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:44:50)

quote:

drodrae, we've actually made a change to the Yeti's special ability to prevent situations like this. Since it has such a powerful mechanic, the special will only be usable once per opponent in each battle.

This will make the bot a bit more fair to support builds, and prevent it from completely shutting down certain builds.


As a Bloodmage this still kills it..why?

Most people are Tanked STR Tact Merc.

The only good way I found to hang with this OPd class is to use Delta staff/Energy gun/Energy aux/Gamma Bot
Once the STR Tact Merc adds the cooldown to my gun and aux, I will be hitting into his tanked dex/hybrid

I won't do enough damage with my MAX bloodlust to hang and I will be pummeled.
Even with my max reflex boost (as that only last 4 turns vs always on hybrid)
AND a STR Tact Merc can smoke me, what do I have? Intimidate? LOL..Intimidate has to be the LEAST used (non skill tree lvl 4) skill ever!

The whole idea behind the yeti looks to pander to the 70% tact mercs.





Jekyll -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 19:51:16)

^Agreed. As a bloodmage which relies on deadly aim, I think the devs just dug my grave.




kaiseryeux21 -> RE: =ED= 22-11-2011 DN - The Krampus Cometh LIVE! (11/23/2011 20:08:56)

is the update already live??




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