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One Winged Angel1357 -> The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 19:45:37)

Well we have all been here before but now we are back to where we began. The Gap, Variums and Non Varium, power range how do you guys feel about it.

Yeah im keeping this nice and short just so we can be as open ended as possible and discuss every part of this.

Notes:
Do not discuss pricing
Do not Flame members of the other party, we are all equal here
This thread is not about Founders either so dont try to force them into it, it is about everyone

Shari's stamp of approval on this thread.
Remember, please do not turn this into a Varium vs. non-Varium, or Varium pricing discussion. ~Ashari



DeathGuard -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 20:10:55)

The only nonvariums that have chances are fews, but the mayority are TLMs, they have start becoming weak again and the gap is about to be larged again.



Gepard Acht -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 20:13:46)

I feel like the gap is closing already, but the those guys are either str abuser, plain smart or both , so idiotic dudes are suppose to lose lol just like how a game is suppose to be



od -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 22:03:19)

I've fought around 50 battles with bloodmage, about 85% of those matches were against varium tact mercs.
If I fought one with a bad build ( one guy had a P armor, low Tec and hp) who I destroyed despite 2 crits.
But if I fight one with a good build and plays well I have to go 1st and block to win, which happens occasionally.
I think for dedicated f2ps with 20+ enhances, the gap is good but for most casual players who play 15-30 mins a day the gap is too big



button33 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 22:36:16)

In my humble opinion, the gap is closing. Even though I am varium, I have played as a non varium before and I know how you feel. However, with the newly released weapons with so much damage and stats, I think the gap is closing. The ability to class change for credits, even at a high price is a start. This allows other people who cannot spend real money to class change a chance to play the game at a different perspective. I think that in the future, the gap will be smaller. One step, not buffing rares is a pretty good step to closing the gap. Overall, I think the playing field is closer



PD -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 23:33:33)

Note: as long as someone says, "I think" or "I Believe", it doesn't hold value until proven correct.

Get some numbers out, and do the math to prove that the gap is closing [or widening].



nico0las -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/25/2011 23:56:00)

The gap is small for those smart enough to be able to span it.
There are some non variums who are FAR superior to even the best of us variums.



Thylek Shran -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 1:00:40)

Now imagine they would have varium.

@PD
Thats a very cute little dawg. [:)]



Remorse -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 1:25:18)

@ Nicolas

I agree!

Some casses Non varium are extremely Uped then in other casses they can be too good! It is all determined by thier class and the class they are fighting.

I think if they wanted to consider reducing the varium non varium gap they need to first fix balance so that their is equal ground to wok with.

Nothing worse then when one one hand non variums destroy as TLMs and then they completely UPed as anything else then all will be practically forced to class change costing 50k only to have TLMs nerfed soon after(I doubt it though e.e).

The longer they wait to fix balance the bigger the dmagae will be for all non variums so I hope they do it soon for once!



Gepard Acht -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 1:46:54)

^ agreed, rather then thinkin about the gaps, the only way to make it better is to balance everything first so there could be a start



xxomegafaustxx -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 2:53:19)

40+ stat difference Gap? I think not.

Also to add. . .

Be careful of the qualifiers employed: "some", "few", does not represent the community as a whole. Do not make a claim that oversimplifies.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 5:01:48)

The gap = 0 , when a non varium do 3 crit 2 block im like kill me quick so with paying 0 money on this game they have enough chance to win a varium player.



Remorse -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 5:36:45)

^ and so it should be


It should not be pay=win and not pay =always lose.

Plus luck should NOT be the only way possible for non variums to win they should have a chnace with stretgy no matter what class they are.

Im starting to get sick of all the selfish players on this game :/



TurkishIncubus -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 6:29:01)

^ They have a chance with right strategy , with a non varium TM(non of the weps enhanced) i could beat some varium players.

And this thread will lead to enhancement pricing again cause thats the main point of why non variums are weak

quote:

Im starting to get sick of all the selfish players on this game :/


no one cares

I dont think someone came here and could say "i never lost to a Non Varium player". If they use strategy they can beat variums but Not using strategy(copy builds + attack spam) + Being Non varium shouldnt have a chance against varium players.

The thing called "Varium" should give an advantage in battles thats the point of it. If a non varium(with no enhance) will have a winning chance against a full Varium player that also seem wrong.

If the credit enhance price reduced to 50k at max enhance problem will be solved.



AQWPlayer -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 6:57:06)

quote:

I dont think someone came here and could say "i never lost to a Non Varium player". If they use strategy they can beat variums but Not using strategy(copy builds + attack spam) + Being Non varium shouldnt have a chance against varium players.

The thing called "Varium" should give an advantage in battles thats the point of it. If a non varium(with no enhance) will have a winning chance against a full Varium player that also seem wrong.

There should be a chance for noobs to win against full variums...but that chance is 0.0001% :P



axiel -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 8:13:21)

in my oppinion most tlm non variums are great so your bets altenative is buy varium or turn tlm..
unless the devs help you guys out.. they cant just add a good wep because that will also give non varium tlms a buff..
tlm are strongest in f2p and varium simple as that



BlueKatz -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 8:20:06)

Out of 10 battle, I see only 1 Non Varium
Out of 10 Non Varium, I see 9 TLM



axiel -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 8:22:51)

@bluekatz

That is soooooo true.. you don't see many non variums and if you do it's usually 9/10 that are tlm ..
unless there lv 30 and lower because they don't usually change at that lv.



ngshuyi94 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 9:28:59)

The gap closed alot after the creation of the TLAPD weapons. Also, i should expect more fun for the non variums after the non varium bots are released as we will be able to try new builds such as 5 focus which we have not tried b4.

I find it no point complaining about the gap. Varium is meant to give an advantage which is what it is doing right now. Also, if ur good, ur good. U might be able to beat a few variums with strategy. On the other hand, if u suk, theres nothing i can do, the only suggestion i can give u is to get the latest varium gear.



PD -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:01:50)

TPLAD doesn't count. That's a rare event.

It only goes down if there's permanent conent to close a gap. Please don't use rares as an example of how the gap is closing because rares are only around for a limited time meaning that future generations or unlucky people don't get them.



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:06:30)

@pd
on that case then, rare varium gear shouldn't count either.



PD -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:12:18)

It doesn't either.

I don't see why people think that the gap closes when a RARE item that only happens for a LIMITED TIME is available for a LIMITED number of people to BUY.



endtime -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:20:57)

If anything the gap has gotten too small. The difference between a varium and nonvarium player is hundreds of dollars. If you can't definitely win against somebody who has paid no money, while you've paid hundreds of dollars or spent time on surveys, then this game has gotten completely ridiculous.



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:22:02)

@pd
well idk i dont like to get much into the var vs non var arguements
but when a rare items comes out people thank the devs for closing the gap
(keep in mind most are variums themselves)

@endtime
i also have to agree with u on that.



seangchea -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 13:39:48)

How about all these f2p dedicated players do what I do and EARN varium it's not hard just do frickin surveys



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