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goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 14:54:16)

@pd
if he can only play 1 hour a day and cant play a couple extra (just for NPCs) then why would he care that much for a class change?

but u know what aside from that. go ahead lower the credit price for class changes. 25k seems good enough.

@death
actually i prefer to do NPCs as a BH, ch, and mage. with BH i can get 15 done in 10 minutes.
as for tlm atm most of my fights are 5-6 turns.



edwardvulture -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 14:56:34)

No you should be thankful non-variums can get it at all



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 14:58:13)

@edvard
agreed. but still

if the staff wants to lower the credit price. im all for it. no problems in that i get to class change more anyway.



DeathGuard -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 14:59:57)

@Goldslayer1: same for me but what happens? Real Pvp fights are faster and you save up many time[:)] My fights agaisnt npcs last 4-5 turns and this is my strategy: Malf, gun, Aux/Assimilate, SuperCharge and if she/he is still alive, strike. also, in Exile server you win way more faster



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:00:28)

@goldslayer
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people like u make too many excuses
u say those non vars aren't average non vars yet u compare me to a casual playing non var.

Excuse me? It is YOU who are using the mega elite non variums as excuses to support your biased point of view. And when ahve I compared you to a casual non var? I said you must consider the point of view of the average non varium player.
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but thats not reason to say it is completely impossible as a non var. keep in mind NPCs are 100% and they cant use balance excuses against that.

Keep in mind NPCs are not 100% win as they can easily crit 3 times in a battle (like gamma guard) and get a guaranteed win.
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if he can only play 1 hour a day and cant play a couple extra (just for NPCs) then why would he care that much for a class change?

People get bored of NPCing and losing in PvP battles, and they want to have fun, and not have to destroy their eyes just to change class once and then find out they need another primary weapon...then they keep on getting pwned.
Just to add, I am posting this knowing that I will most probably never change class. (or at least, not any time soon)



johnny be good -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:01:46)

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Not exactly. You could say their minds are made up of:
90% money
10% game quality (includes balance and content updates)


That's so true!



PD -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:03:38)

I think we've delved into the issue altogether with the fact that we're discussing price ethics along from the class change. IT brings up an interesting point that we're trying to superimpose your own standards against someone else without realizing what another person has to allocate for Epicduel.

Now going back to the class change issue, please do consider what you're really asking for. The math doesn't really add up.

quote:

if he can only play 1 hour a day and cant play a couple extra (just for NPCs) then why would he care that much for a class change?


Has it ever occured to you that someone just may want to actually experience the game in another viewpoint without the need to create a new character and force his way up to the level cap in a perpetually lethargic process that is perpetually endless and monotonous?

Not even sometimes?

Not even once in their spited lives?



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:04:27)

@aqw
why would u challenge gamma guard when valery, exile soldier, and admin 12 are alot easier?
secondly if ur a non var and lvl 33 fight shadow guards and valery with full energy attacks.

and i already agreed to lower the price for credit class change. gives me more class changes anyway.



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:07:44)

@goldslayer
I challenge gamma guard because he drops boosters, and i'm not complaining about losing to him, just putting him as an example of NPCs that crit too many times in a battle. And I am level 34, not 33.
The reason I am going against you is that you seem to be implying that non variums don't need a buff to have fun in this game.



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:11:33)

@AQW
i wasn't implying that they shouldn't have fun
im implying that if they want something, they should work no matter if they are non var or not.



PD -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:13:33)

But what's your standard of fun?




johnny be good -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:14:08)

Non-Variums are complaining every day that the game is not fair.



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:18:46)

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im implying that if they want something, they should work no matter if they are non var or not.

Agreed. But if you compare non vars with vars...
Varium users:
-Get 15k credits for every package they buy
-Get 10k varium for every package they buy
-Get a set of OP weapons for each class
Non varium users:
-Need to farm their way up in order to buy weapons and armors
-Don't have any varium, or not enough to buy anything good
-Need to farm more to get a primary weapon of the desired class

I don't think I need to explain the difference to you, right?

@johnny be good
It's the truth.



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:18:51)

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But what's your standard of fun?

im a competitive person. i co lead a VERY competitive faction.
and i have fun winning.
of course tho winning takes time, dedication, and HARD WORK.
if we didn't work hard, or spent time and dedicate ourselves, my faction wouldn't have 93 solo daily faction medals

@aqw
heres another difference u forgot to mention.

VARIUM:
spends $50 for a package

non var:
doesn't spend a dime in this game

btw weapons dont come enhanced for the package.
and for variums 10k hardly gets us an armor, and a set of weapons (gun, aux, and primary)
and we buy our robot.
u guys get it for free.



johnny be good -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:19:47)

They have Arcade :P



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:22:22)

@goldslayer
Non variums need to put in 200% extra effort in order to get what variums get in a few days.
quote:

heres another difference u forgot to mention.

VARIUM:
spends $50 for a package

non var:
doesn't spend a dime in this game

It's none of our business that you need to pay $50 for each package. That kind of problems are between variums and the devs; you cannot punish us non variums because the price is too high.
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btw weapons dont come enhanced for the package.
and for variums 10k hardly gets us an armor, and a set of weapons (gun, aux, and primary)
and we buy our robot.
u guys get it for free.

Enhancements were never supposed to exist in the first place. A non enhanced varium set of weaponry gives the advantage a varium player deserves. Sure, you buy your robots with varium, but we get it for free? Where's the non varium robot that doesn't require 2k+ tokens and insane luck to acquire? Ever thought of comparing the value of time and money?



@johnny be good
Arcade? Are you kidding me? o.O
Supposing you have 2000 tokens, and you waste them all on arcade. If you won every single battle, you'd get a grand total of LESS than 10k credits and most probably no jackpot.



johnny be good -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:26:57)

It's not my fault that you are non-varium.



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:30:26)

Does me being non varium affect you negatively in any way? It doesn't. But does you being varium affect me? Of course it does. The devs decided to make variums OP because they pay tons of $$$.



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:31:15)

@aqw
i seen low lvls with robot.
and if u dont like spending TIME for ur stuff. and u happen to be like 16-17
then get a job on the weekend and buy a varium pack.



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:37:00)

^
*cough* can't work for not being adult *cough*



johnny be good -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:41:46)

It's not our fault!



AQWPlayer -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:44:21)

And in the end...it's still the devs' fault. :P



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 15:48:49)

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*cough* can't work for not being adult *cough*

idk where u live. but where im at (in the USA east coast side), all u need to do is be 16+ years old and have a working permit.
this works for alot of places like local pharmacies, or fast food restaurants (mcdonalds, burker king, etc.)
some places may ask for 17 and up tho.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 16:04:21)

I think its fine i average 1K credits in a tad bit under an hour so if i work for like a week and catch all 9 power hours open to me i could get it no problem. Only reason i havent is because i dont know any class other then TM



goldslayer1 -> RE: class change cred price reduced (11/27/2011 16:06:25)

@OWA
wow and that comes from a free to play player himself.
he said he could get it no problem in a week.
and here i was trying to explain 75 wins a day from npc for 3 weeks.



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