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AllenLingChen -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 8:41:19)

@Wootz

I like the idea of having the armor match their typical standing, but i disagree with the stats part. A +10 support will easily attract supp mercs to simply become legion to get this armor. They should all have the same stats, although they can have different looks.



Lord Nub -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 8:46:05)

Armors must have the same stats for all the reasons already produced. Also would be nice to have an armor that doesn't give both strength and support.

@below,

We just had two releases of both str and sup being raised. I would suggest just tech and dex being increased, but that would then overshadow tesla which hasn't been around very long either.

What about Dex, Tech, and Sup? Don't believe we have had an armor like that yet.



drinde -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 8:48:14)

^
That's probably the Dev's way of reducing the spamming of a single DMG stat.

[EDIT] Oops, forgot Propoganda.



Rayman -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 8:48:34)

The armor Stats Should be-
2str
7Dex
7tech
2supp
8 Slots



Wootz -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 9:55:21)

@Rayman,
You lack a stat. Theres 19 mods in Nightwraiths dudes, which is the newest armor, so the Legion & Exile armors should have same or more.

And I disagree on the same stats for both of them.
Did you ever see an nation which is the same with the other?
A sword which looks exactly the same as an dagger?
Aligment should do more then just be pretty in the game. Don't you think?



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 10:25:17)

Hmm so this new armor will it make both types of bombs more effective by doubling the score too?

If it does these early war hero supporters along with myself are gonna be very upset.



Lord Nub -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 10:41:30)

^ Exactly my point.

Also we were led to believe this would be nearly impossible to obtain without using our personal funds. If they lessen the amount of points it takes to obtain General as Ashari is pointing out, then we get to bend at the waist and take it.

Will be the last time I ever support anything like this I know that for sure if they make this easily obtainable.

I doubt it increases bomb damage though, they don't usually make us bend over so obviously. They take the round about approach to satisfy the kiddies in the forums that want everything but aren't willing to pay or put the time and effort to get it.



DeathGuard -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 10:48:08)

Even though I support you Lord, like Lycus said no one was obligated to pay so much money for it. You could have wait just like me, I saved credits and varium, and I'm willing tk wait until the last days of the war to try to get it.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 10:54:48)

@Lord "Slow and steady wins the race," and "Look before you leap" come to mind here. And show me a post where any staff member said you would have to buy bombs to earn the General rank. I don't recall seeing it anywhere.



Lord Nub -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 10:58:48)

You don't have to pay so much money for it though is the point. People are assuming that without looking at the figures. We also don't know how long the event will last which is the biggest thing to look at.

They made it look one way to get the heavy hitters to spend their dough then switch it around mid event to satisfy everyone else, thus backstabbing those who support the game the most. This is a very different approach and with all the controversy surrounding ED for basically, screwing the player, a very bad move by the ED team.

I can understand taking this war as an example for future ones, sure, but to change it mid flow after some of us have done the math and figured out what it takes to obtain General, is garbage. It's never a good thing to backstab your biggest supporters but hey we'll see how it works out for them.

The player consensus on this game is that everything should be given and not earned. Everyone seems to want some low level easily obtainable achievement with little to no effort. How does that promote gameplay or give the players goals to reach? How will that ever separate one player from another and create competition?

People aren't looking at everything involved before spewing out nonsense and flamming. Achievements that are nearly impossible to get is one of the greatest ideas ever. It promotes so much more to do and paves the way for future achievements to promote gameplay and game sustainability.

Everyone keeps saying oh this game is boring all we do is click 1v1 over and over. Well there giving us more to do and everyone whines because they can't get the absolute best achievement available. Come on that's garbage.

@ND,

Your a prime example, that post shows no reasoning skills whatsoever. Look before you leap? Oh I'm sorry, some of us forgot that the devs go back on what they put out a week later and change everything around. Wish I could predict the future but unfortunately I can't.

This is like changing the stats of a weapon after it was already purchased. Oh wait they do that to don't they.

The figures were out there and some of us knew what it would take. The rest gave up and decided to flame instead of even trying. Well kudos to you. The childish flamming wins yet again.

The game was headed to so much more with achievements such as these but it's quite apparent the player base doesn't support "Real" achievements.

@ND's below post,

This isn't about non-varium vs varium. This should be extremely obvious actually but I'll sum it up for you.

Achievements do absolutely nothing for you in a match. To say f2ps deserve the same extra functions as a p2p makes no sense and your turning this into something it isn't.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:04:43)

@Lord You didn't look before you leaped and are now complaining about it. They seldom ever leave a non varium behind with a feature they make. Exceptions are slots(Buddy and Inv.) and name change. What I see is selfishness against non variums when this sort of stuff happens. As it stood, you probably wouldn't be getting General as a non varium and neither would anyone else unless they threw in a couple hundred bucks. Why fight in a war if the best thing you get requires you to spend years supply of varium to have a chance at earning it? I know I don't want to fight over 10k NPCs just to hear "Good job on getting this many points, but you're still not good enough for General even though you just took out a small battalion on your own."



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:10:54)

@ ND

I don't think he is complaining at all. He just wants the devs to be fair to the early supporters of the war. If this armor does in fact double bomb scores when you have this equipped they really made a mistake. Unless they double all Varium bomb scores for everyone who has done them. That is because anyone who dumped Varium on bombs would of most definitely purchased the armor before bombing for War Hero/higher war score. These are solid reasons and not complaining at all.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:14:30)

@Smackie I doubt they are capable of tracking all the kills by bombs. And if they are, I doubt they would be able to give points to everyone who did use them. No staff ever mentioned it doubling bomb scores at all that I know of. They stated it will increase points for your side, but not how. Another "look before you leap" moment. You're all jumping out of the plane because rumors told you bomb points would be doubled from armors.



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:22:08)

@ND

quote:

This week, we’ll also be introducing two new armors for purchase, the Frost Reaper armor for Legion players and the Beast Rider armor for Exile players. Equipping this armor increases your side’s War Points as you battle.


You are talking out your ass. I have no issue with the money/varium I spent. It would be cool if this new feature did in fact increase the bomb score. It would just be very nice and kind if they did increase the super bomb scores for the early supporters since we would have bought that armor if it was released at the start of the war. If it does in fact increase bomb scores. I'm not demanding it and I will always dump money into this game before I look because I enjoy it thoroughly.




ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:25:44)

@Smackie
quote:

increases your side’s War Points as you battle.

Like I said, no mention of it increasing bomb points at all.



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:28:54)

@ ND

I don't want to be a nit picker, but seems you want to be a pain in the ass soooo. What you said was "They stated it will increase points for your side, but not how." That is incorrect. They said by battling. So fighting NPC's will increase your score more if you have the armor equipped.

BURN



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:36:57)

I apologize for not having each and every DNs memorized by word and I apologize for trying to keep a community in order when rumors are going around that could tear it apart.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:39:37)

10 dex 9 tech



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:43:44)

LOL ND you are trying to be the self appointed peace keeper? Well you are doing a pretty bad job if you don't use exact quotes for your posts. Because of that you single-handedly pissed me off with your posts about these so called rumors that I have not heard of.



Dendavex -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:44:36)

@ND
Isn't it against the rules to feed a flame?
Isn't against the rules to mini-mod



Chosen 0ne -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:46:42)

^^ I totally support ND Mallet in what he is doing right now. AT least someone is taking a stand.



Dendavex -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:50:38)

@Chosen
He is doing the right thing but he should stop feeding flamers



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 11:54:02)

@Den and Chosen Neither of you are helping much in stopping the flames either. I doubt calling people flamers is helping anyone out and trying to call me out is giving fuel to the flames.



frogbones -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 12:02:20)

Here's why AE/ED has such a bad rep:

Like Nub said, changing up the the points needed for the achievements one week into the war is a slap in the face to players who went full bore from day one. ED has a history of this, and it is *very* unprofessional. At best they appear to be incoherent and incapable of fully planning out an event before it's live, and at worst they come across as scammers.

Nub's comparison of changing this War to how they changed Founder Armor is spot on.

Also, there really does need to be a way, beyond a cheevo, for Wars to add meaning. JZ's suggestion about the armors becoming more powerful with the more war kills one has is brilliant. That feature would no doubt have increased participation tenfold.

And seriously stop with the "it's hard to code" stuff. It can be done, and it's a great idea that would add some depth to ED. This war would be an armor, the next would be a zooka, then a sidearm, etc.

JZ's idea would *finally* bring the concept of EARNING things into the game, instead of just BUYING them.



Smackie El Frog -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 19th 2011 (12/21/2011 12:02:58)

Hmm well there hasn't been any artwork posted for the new armors. So if the dev's need any ideas... I want a baby yeti tuxedo like Mr Burns has for Greyhounds! That I think would make the perfect Legion armor ever!

Link to Mr. Burns See My Vest video

http://www.videohippy.com/video/200198/See-my-vest--The-simpsons



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