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SouL Prisoner -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 8:17:40)

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STILL IA had lower base dmg compared to Gamma.

What do you say about that?



lol?? how can you compare them?>?

where Gamma is and where IA is ...




Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 8:18:23)

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But hey, ofcourse you and lycan will say its not OP, you got it

Says the one with IA & demanding for Gamma nerf or IA buff? <_< Stop with the bias. I have it, so? I use Assault Bot for now and Yeti with my other build.

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No one ever complained about Gamma bot until after this release.

This. Only because IA was nerfed, it cannot make another item OP. Deal with the fact you cannot spam it anymore. I cannot see how nerf to one makes the other one OP. Yes, it is possible but even AFTER countless IA nerfs, Gamma Bot was behind IA in terms of damage & was abuseable hence the nerf. Now one isn't OP + you cannot spam and other one became OP? By what means? Because it can be used multiple times per battle?




lolo666 -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 8:46:14)

To make it fair, Make gamma bot's special
only usable once per battle. It has a 2 turn cooldown
Hits higher.. (120%)

That would make it all fair.

and actually IA users are not bias for complainig
you just find it OP since you either abuse stats
or just dont know how to counter it.
It's just because you are not an IA user yourself
Think of this if you were an IA user.
I know it will feel like a punch in the face




King FrostLich -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 8:47:40)

^Why should Gamma suffer the same way IA should be? Gamma Bot is rare and I often see many players use the yeti nowadays.




Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:00:23)

I abuse stats? Right. Focus 5 TM, then Focus 4 BM, then Focus 5 BM and Dex abuse at the moment (111 Dex) for sake of Juggernaut. I abuse stats? Right. Where does abuse start by the way? I seen Support players with 160+ Support, I have 111 Dex which is 50 stats less (at least) which I have put towards HP, EP, Tech and few into Support and Strength.

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Think of this if you were an IA user.

Gamma Bot was already nerfed before. Back in the day, you could use Physical attack followed by Energy (no cooldown for the other one if you use it). Did people rant? Of course! Did I really care? Nope. Why? Because balance.
Wait a minute. This isn't bias, right? So I cannot think about IA because I use Assault Bot and Yeti? Yep, so because I don't use Gamma Bot nor IA, I won't know what it's like. Seems like you don't know the meaning of balance.

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That would make it all fair.

Point me to the post or DNs where it said IA = Gamma Bot but with an effect. Gamma has NO special ability hence why it's just 2 attacks with no real boost to damage. IA has damage raising effect hence why it's useable more than once. Likewise with other Bots with special abilities, i.e. Pyro Fly, Yetis, Bio Borg.

By the way, why should Gamma get a buff to damage and once per battle? Why not keep the damage as it is and leave it? Gamma Bot cannot be OP because something else was nerfed. And lastly, don't assume something. The only instance I abused in Omega was Strength build when I was doing 150 wins for Yeti mission. Few people have seen me with such build and that was it. Before that? Perhaps modified Caster TM for sake of Juggernaut with use of Beta weapons.




One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:21:07)

Nerfing the damage output on Assim actually seems like a bonus to me. One of my biggest issues with Assim is that when you drain someone most of the classes in the game can regain energy from that strike. With only doing 85% damage you can increase your strength without giving too much energy back to the enemy and maximizing your energy drain




Sageofpeace -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:36:59)

Trans THIS IS FOR YOU

Assimilation
This skill is intended to provide an on-demand energy boost;





Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:43:16)

Well done, I already tweeted that to Titan prior to the release going live. If it's on-demand Energy boost, why does it deal damage? ;)




redclaw -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:54:02)

everyone got used to how OP IA was and now tht it has become kind of normal they all think it is underpowered....... IMO it is now worth its value

As for assimilation.... i never had a problem with the damage it dealt but the amount it gave back

And before u go all bananas and say tht i should think how ppl with IA feel... well i used to have IA too and didn't really like it so i bought the yeti....




STRUT MY MUTT -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 9:59:33)


All I am asking is for my Infernal Android to have both a physical and energy attack that isnt limited to 1 turn. I didn't get a chance to buy a gamma bot like you guys did.

It doesn't even have to be a higher percent damage. How about we just make it 100 percent damage from the first turn through all the turns and a four turn cool down. That way we can have the versatile robot that we purchased, and Gamma but would still be superior because it does higher damage.

Or Gamma bot's energy attack should be limited to 1 time use too.

Anyone support?





Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:08:52)

How about keep IA as it is, 100% damage at the start and 4% damage per turn up to 130% at max? Currently it's 85% -> 130% and it takes 9 turns to fully charge. With 100% -> 130% and 4% per turn, it's 8 turns to max out.




redclaw -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:11:33)

@Strutt
not gonna happen mate... if the IA bot and gamma bot get the same moves it will make the IA bot completely useless to those who have both the bots, and having 2 bots with the same specials is kinda lame...

@trans
so does it still remain as a one time skill only?




Darkwing -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:26:11)

wow. IA special once per battle? if the 140% was trouble, then why not make special 100% damage and that's it, it would still be weaker then gamma bot




ansh0 -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:26:46)

@red

Nope there is no need for restriction on usage.

I agree with trans, you can make the starting dmg 100% and make it increase at a slower pace. Remove the restriction on useage and bring back the longer CD.




Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:27:48)

I'd still very much would like for IA to remain one-time only, yes. Just useable on the 1st turn, and boosts quicker (8 turns to max, instead of 9).




redclaw -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 10:34:56)

@ansh even if u do make the progression slower it can still be abused... all ppl will keep doing is delay the match and wait for it to be at max and then spam it with rage which kind of beats the purpose of the nerf....




Darkeroid -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 12:29:15)

Ugh. They buffed assimilation and now they are gonna nerf it to oblivion. I LOVED assimilation the way it was, it didn't need a buff. Now that it is buffed, people are gonna rage and one of my most favorite TM skills will be become unusable.

Edit: And while this so called nerf is actually a buff to assim, people will rant more. You know what happens next.




Oba -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 12:37:11)

I dont get these "nerf gamma bot so its the same as IA" and vice versa. It is 2 different bots, why make them have the exact same special and dmg? There are different bots for a reason -> Diversity. If IA not is good for you anymore, then change to a bot that do fit your build. Jesus...




STRUT MY MUTT -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 12:54:54)

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not gonna happen mate... if the IA bot and gamma bot get the same moves it will make the IA bot completely useless to those who have both the bots, and having 2 bots with the same specials is kinda lame...


Here's what's lame. You telling me what is and isn't going to happen. Are you Epic Duel's decision maker?

And if that's the case, then everyone should have access to the Gamma Bot. If it were purchased as a Promo, then under the current rules, it should be available the next year. Right?


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I dont get these "nerf gamma bot so its the same as IA" and vice versa. It is 2 different bots, why make them have the exact same special and dmg? There are different bots for a reason -> Diversity. If IA not is good for you anymore, then change to a bot that do fit your build. Jesus...



Try to be a little more open minded, GEEZ. NOT EVERY ONE HAS THE GAMMA BOT. And they wouldn't be the same. The Gamma bot would do more damage.

I'm asking for my Bot back that I paid real money for. I bought it as a robot that has more than one physical and more than one energy attack. Can I please have "Diversity" too?











edwardvulture -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 13:04:40)

Nobody should complain about assilimination, the real Oped people are the 5 bonus Bh's that smoke and block you then own you with their robot.




Yo son -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 13:15:17)

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But omega yet is way more powerful, due to the fact that it is +15 and IA is +12.

IA special does max of 82 damage.

Omega yeti is max of 56 (57 for omega gear) AND takes gun away for 2 rounds, and aux for 3 round.


How many turns do you think it take for the yeti to make up 26 damage?




Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 13:16:52)

Phase promos items were promised to never come back, no exceptons.




zion -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 14:36:38)

I used a 5 focus build during the GYT wth IA and it was overpowered. Some matches, my partner did almost nothing but I won the 2v1 b/c of the 140% unblockable special. It's pretty simple - all active cores are single-use, why should the IA be any different? It costs the same as assault bot and now its equal power with very different specials. Truthfully, gamma bot special should be boosted and should be one-time use. Something like 115% energy shot, 1 turn warmup.




Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 14:43:36)

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Truthfully, gamma bot special should be boosted and should be one-time use. Something like 115% energy shot, 1 turn warmup.

With a difference - it doesn't have any effect nor anything, it's just a simple attack like Physical but deflectable instead of blockable. It's a basic Bot otherwise.




Calogero -> RE: =ED= Patch Notes - 1.5.7 - March 22, 2013 (3/23/2013 14:49:14)

Well, I'm happy Infernal Android finaly got the balance fix it needed.
Maybe now I won't feel forced into using it just so I have a chance to beat
the guy using it...




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