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redclaw -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:18:47)

@trans and everyone else suggesting a shield...

if there is one thing i have learned in my battles agianst GB users is never use shields.... that would just make em use their othr attack..... it would be a waste of a turn...

umm ok a person might rely on using the IA special twice in a battle but i dont see how a person will rely on using the gammas bot special twice... it all depends on whch is lower ur res or dex.... so i dont really understand y it has to be countered.... if it attacks u with phy let it do so... its not gonna attack u with energy if ut res is higher....

Merged two posts to prevent double posting after others were deleted. ~Tanky



Thesoulweaver -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:30:08)

A Person may not.

Exactly.
Obviously, those who are against the OPness of GB are focusing on some certain builds. Lets try gotting down the possible non luck non rage effects of the bots against every build possible. That will give us some proper systematic data.



Warmaker04 -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:33:01)

Zeph who said i was talking to you? i told someone else bout u.
U cant have All OP stuffs.
U want just the gamma bot nerfed so you dont have any weakness left and pwn everyone? Not supported. Every build have a weakness.
Ik very good this bot.
Infernal was exception because it had special which increases 5% damage per turn
and gamma dont have special on 5% so thats what i meant -_-



Well let me say and quote something which is true.

Removed unnecessary content, watch your tone. ~Tanky



redclaw -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:34:03)

umm i was just suggesting that if u find it OP y not tweak ur build to suit it better? u dont really need a counter...just try to make it use either is phy or its energy attack....



Thesoulweaver -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:36:13)

@Above

Undoubtedly, every build has a weakness. The power of the object is determined by how many builds are weak against it. So lets take some effort and go by my suggestion to gather data.



redclaw -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:41:23)

@thesoulweaver

well u have a point abt how many builds find a thing OP and maybe i shouldn't suggest ppl to tweak their build to be able to face a specific bot BUT the masses really dont find gamma bot OP.... i did a lot of askin around and turns out around 95% of the ppl i asked (all of them DID NOT posses GB) told me tht it wasn't OP and they never found it to be the decider in battle....



Thesoulweaver -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:43:21)

Masses don't find GB OP

How many people face GB extensively?



Ranloth -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:45:44)

If people don't find GB to be OP, why does it need a nerf? Only because one or two people say it does, it doesn't mean it's OP. There's one Forum member who claims that BMs are severly UP and need a massive buff, but BMs are fine (some even say a small nerf would be good!), and no one but that person argue about BMs being UP. >.>

There was a thread yesterday that Yetis should also get nerfed because of IA, so giving Yetis a 3-turn warm-up ONLY because of IA. When I was it in this thread, like 2-3 pages ago, I was asked if I'm joking or trying to mock the OP. >.>



Thesoulweaver -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:52:12)

You have a point there, Trans.

But i still think that we should jot down all statistical data in an organized manner, to make things clear.




Ranloth -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 9:59:24)

Getting data is a tiresome process - first set out the conditions (i.e. stats), then type of skills you will use, what class, etc. It's been.. 4 days since the IA change. There's Balance Tracker + our feedback to monitor the changes. Perhaps IA can get buffed instead to the point where it's still not abuseable, stronger but still once per battle - for example, I had this idea: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=21193328 - or numbers can be adjusted such as how Focus works or damage on Bots (initial one before Focus + Tech).

As I've said, on 4th or 5th turn, you can deal more damage with Energy attack than Gamma but only once per battle. But this links to testing - how long will the battle last? What is your strategy (in terms of Bot usage)? Will you need to use it more than once? Do you stall the battle to get Energy back and use Ultimate? Fight for survival perhaps?

The thread was made.. within an hour of the IA change. You cannot say x is OP and y is UP in such a short period of time. If the difference is large and something was overshot, yes, but here it isn't that big even. There isn't enough data yet to make changes based on numbers rather than feedback. And the changes do have to follow feedback as well rather than Devs' own decisions.



TankMage -> RE: Gamma Bot Nerf (3/26/2013 10:11:56)

Edit: Locked as per request of OP



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