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ansh0 -> Focus (3/28/2013 14:16:35)

Stop with those stupid focus builds.

It's no fun playing as, or with one.

To bring some more diversity, I think 4+ focus users cannot: block/crit/deflect

The only way they would be able to do that would be with skills/cores.

Really 90/100 people are running focus.

Now don't say, "hurr derp I like it derp I have been playing it since derp"

Cause no one cares, you are saying that for your own selfish reasons.

You fail to see beyond your winrate that other kinds of builds exist.

So for christ's sake, we need a change to focus.



Mother1 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 14:44:07)

So me and anyone else who actually like using focus should be punished because you don't like them? Yeah that sounds about as fair as making a core that would make block 85% of robot damage or make ultimate attacks worthless.

Not to mention this would not make shadow arts worthless for anyone with focus 4-5 as well as the block, crit, and stun cores. This idea would cause more imbalance then balance, not to mention it would make focus builds the victims of every other build.



Baron Dante -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 14:52:30)

quote:

It's no fun playing as, or with one.


Purely based on your opinion.

quote:

Cause no one cares, you are saying that for your own selfish reasons.


Yes, because you certainly aren't making this point for your selfish reasons.

...and it's not like humans are capable of reasons other than selfish by nature.



ansh0 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 14:53:44)

So you'd rather the game to be ruled by focus than some diversity?



Baron Dante -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 14:58:37)

No. I never said that. I'm simply hardly convinced there is an actual reasoning for change.

Because pure opinions don't really mean anything. Do go ahead and make the argument based on actual numbers, and that opinion could be changed. Even if 9/10 players runs focus, that hardly means Focus is blatantly overpowered. there are entirely valid ways to combat them, and in fact, making a counter build to combat Focus would, hilariously, be getting a 90% winrate with relative ease.



Mother1 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 14:58:58)

@ ansho

Diversity please that has to be the funniest thing I have heard. In case you haven't noticed everyone will jump to the most powerful build that is OP for wins and we both know this. Here is an example what happened at the start of omega? Everyone in their right minds became a strength merc because due to the lack of defenses strength became OP.

Then when the yeti tourney came what happened then? everyone jumped to support since strength was nerfed and support got a huge buff especially with rabble knew formula for going first.

The point I am trying to make is most people will go for what is OP over being creative and losing and you trying to force people to get off of focus builds with unfair nerfs that will make then victim of other builds isn't going to help either.

I myself have always used some sort of focus even before it in your words became OP and when it wasn't popular. Does this mean that I am abusing focus and following the crowd just because I am playing as a build I like using when it wasn't OP?



Mondez -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:02:11)

I've used Focus back since Delta or was it Gamma since I have Gamma Bot, I use focus because I'm a bot person and I tend to rely on my bot plus with focus I can make different builds on the skills alone without have to focus on 1 to 2 stats.

Let people make the builds that they want to make, why should you care on the build that you claim 90% of the community are using?

It's a game enjoy it. O_o

What you say here isn't respectful nor valid:
quote:

Now don't say, "hurr derp I like it derp I have been playing it since derp"

Cause no one cares, you are saying that for your own selfish reasons.



Hard boy -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:03:55)

I have been using focus since gamma started, idc about those "something" who divert from an Op class to Op class, and Op builds to Op builds, just cuz they have varium and they wanna win win win. Dont nerf 5 focus, not everyone is brainless.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:08:09)

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So me and anyone else who actually like using focus should be punished because you don't like them?


So IA should be nerfed becuase you dont like it? You should have said "Lets nerf focus" instead of saying "Lets nerf IA"


So strength builds should be punished becuase you don't like them?

So tech abuse builds should be punished becuase you don't like them?

THEY WERE NERFED,

now focus should be nerfed.

As trans said (and i cant believe im agreeing with him)

Make focus decrease by 1 damage every focus point, +25 at focus 5. Instead of 30.



ansh0 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:16:16)

So if I like Assimilation(pre-nerf), it shouldn't be nerfed.

10/10 logic.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:21:10)

Nope, it should be nerfed becuase other people wanted it to be nerfed. :'D Durr Durr.'


But focus shouldn't becuase of the exact same thing. :'D



DARK SOUL OF HELL -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:25:49)

i also agree on this idea .
i rarely see anyone with no focus build now .
it is killing the diversity of builds in the game .
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making a counter build to combat Focus would, hilariously, be getting a 90% winrate with relative ease.

u think it is that easy ?
people with focus build does def , crit , block , in almost every battle , and those luck cores are making it even worse .
once i battled a supp abuser in battle of 10 rounds ( something like that ) and he crit only once
then i challenge a lvl 5 focus and he crit 3 times :O ( the number of rounds were very close )
str got nerfed , supp got nerfed . y is that ? they we're OP , okay now it is focus' turn .



Baron Dante -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:49:59)

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u think it is that easy ?


It' s not easy, necessarily. However, it can be done. And when it's done, like always, a majority of players will jump on this bandwagon and become counter-focus builds, removing the control Focus has to the game. after this, the usefulness of the counter-focus build will lessen as there are less Focus builds, but it also prevents Focus builds from going overboard. Players will start using alternatives more because playing Focus easily ends up in getting matched with the counter build.



Rayman -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 15:58:04)

Yesterday I was having fun with 4 focus poison bh, it had like 75% win rate, but had to change build to find the people that killed me and called me noob with 5 focus to kill them and show them to respect



Mother1 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 18:29:12)

@ AQW

The infernal android was nerfed because you could get massive damage out of it without a downside. It was extreme game breaking and was overpowered since day one. That was why the infernal android was nerfed. It wasn't because people didn't like it it was because the bot was OP.

In fact every build you mentioned that was nerfed was nerfed because they were OP not because people didn't like them. Please get your facts straight.

However OP wants focus nerfed because he wants people not to use focus. That is not a valid reason to nerf focus.



Lycan. -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 18:43:53)

quote:

It's no fun playing as, or with one.

Actually just because you don't find it fun or can't handle 5 focus builds does not mean others can not find fun out of these builds.
I have been playing 5 focus since Gamma even when it was at it's weakest point because i found it fun and i still do.

quote:

Now don't say, "hurr derp I like it derp I have been playing it since derp"

Cause no one cares, you are saying that for your own selfish reasons.


Haha says the selfish one complaining about 5 focus saying that its not fun and needs to change just because he/she can't handle it or doesn't like it.



fishing989 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 19:23:35)

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now focus should be nerfed.

As trans said (and i cant believe im agreeing with him)

Make focus decrease by 1 damage every focus point, +25 at focus 5. Instead of 30.


if you did not know that Focus was Nerfed it use to be +7 for each focus there for you complaining about a +30 with a 5 focus please that is nothing

it used to be +35 at a 5 focus. that was OP as hell and it was Nerfed by 1 point and with all the nerfing i do not think that Focus needs to be nerfed as i do think it is a good build but however i also like Tech Build and Str Builds and i tend to bonce from one to another depending on the mood i am in at the time. i dont use Cores that much as i only have one. and it would not be Fair.

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To bring some more diversity, I think 4+ focus users cannot: block/crit/deflect

The only way they would be able to do that would be with skills/cores.

With that i would say that you have not played this game much. as with any game they make one think more OP for marketing then Nerf it later on down the road and bring it back slowly as with the Stat Nerfs i agree with it as they get nerfed 3 times one at 50, 60 and i think now at 80 making the Max damage go lower and lower with it and that will go away.

and if you remember the Focus damage. where you know the lowest hit is "3" a +5 Focus damage use to be "8" and it added that Number to the base Damage you would do. I/e if you would do 23 damage nowadays it would have been 28 damage back then that was OP with Bots at 35+ ??? B/c +5 Tech Builds were the OP Build with Phy Str Builds to counter.

there for your Argument is invalid. for a lot of reasons

it is non-sense
it is invalid
it is not correct
it is not proven
and you do not know how the game mech. works enough to be complaining here on forums

now if you still think a skill/core/stat needs to be Nerfed come with more Facts and Proof other then this
quote:

It's no fun playing as, or with one.

To bring some more diversity


so please if you do not like a Skill and or Core or whatnot find more reasons then just Everyone is using it. thats not Proof that is something that you believe to be true and its not true. not every one plays a OP build not every one with a OP build wins 90+ % of the time so please think Before you Post. it saves us the readers and the Mods a lot of time and i do not want to be/sound rude but you my friend sound like an Idiot for your reasoning. again not trying to be rude. i am just stating what i think off of what all i read of this thread and not only that you are all giving pointless information about stuff that is just plain non sense.


have a Nice day. and i hope this Helps you out.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 21:12:07)

@Mother1

Focus builds are OP, in case you haven't noticed.

I liked my Tactical SS build before it was OP. Which is the same thing your saying.

But poeple want it nerfed too.



Mother1 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 21:24:21)

@ awq

Can you please explain with a valid reason why focus builds are OP? You aren't giving a valid reason. If you could give me and everyone else one that we could agree on that would be another story. However all I have seen in this thread is

"Everyone is using this build so we need to nerf it." That is not a valid reason.



ND Mallet -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 21:29:54)

To make a point, everyone uses health and energy yet no one really considers those OPd. Simply saying "It needs nerfed because too many people use it" isn't a good reason. It could just be that everyone uses something because it's simple and easy to make.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 22:08:57)

Focus builds have: (for the average focus build user)

- 57-61 robot damage (13-17 +14 +30)
- Moderate strike and sidearm damage. (10-12 ; 11-14 ; 12-15)
- moderate aux damage (10-12)
-high-moderate defences (for most its 24-29 +6 def and 26-32 +4 Res)
- 90-95 health
- 62 MP

Focus builds can continuously do moderate damage with a high attack every 3-5 rounds.



Ranloth -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 22:10:36)

And other builds can take out, for example, moderate strike + sidearm damage for low strike + sidearm damage & bump up everything else, including HP which isn't as easy for Focus 5.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 22:32:43)

Also, focus builds have more attacks than other builds.



Mother1 -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 22:37:46)

Which aren't as strong as a build that specializing in something. When you go focus you give up extreme power in certain areas for some of everything. Yet I doubt you fail to see that.

You are basically saying that focus builds need to be nerfed because of flexibility.



AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: Focus (3/28/2013 23:32:20)

Yeah, ok.

Robots certainly dont do 40+ damage. When I see a robot do 12, 28. Its just a pixel glitch.
I'm a focus build myself. I know its over powered.

You ask for everything else to get nerfed except your build.

Merc Support wasn't op. It could easily be countered with emp.
Cyberhunter Support wasn't op. It could be countered by emping.
All your so-called "OP builds" required EMP. Focus builds do not.

The only exceptions to this was bloodmage strength do to bloodlust.

With everything else getting nerfed. What do you exspect to reign supreme? Focus. Becuase it has no competition.
Either buff other builds or nerf focus.



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