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Theclown -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/1/2013 23:16:32)

Its not perfect yes but they are trying do ther best i think epic duel have make alot of progress in 3 years and they are coming with alot of updates i think they did the balance thing pretty good but i say this as tac merc player.

we can all talk how bad things are in ed but i think we should support ED and help, play and have fun.

Its always easy to leave when you dont like things like some varium players did.




Scyze -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/1/2013 23:29:04)

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The players have been offering suggestions left and right, I guess Xendran and I have been trolling the entire time, right? The players are offering better solutions than the devs ever will and they're ignoring us.
I have finally realised that there are things to follow. The suggestions are not always good, in some cases they are bad. (Not going to point any out because it may be biased.)
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They believe that they know how to play this game better than the veterans who have been here for years.
So veterans should get a bigger voice? How unfair is life now? Why can't the new comers have a voice too? Well guess what? We are not veterans, neither are you.* You've been here since Beta (character page) and well, 3/4 years isn't long. Stay here for 15+ years and I'll consider you as a veteran. The time period is too short to even consider you as a veteran (or anyone else).


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Xendran can get this game back on track to success.
Really? I think he could but I still have my doubts about it. We as higher levelled players only think about our levels (most of the time) and we don't realise that how the lower levelled players will function after the changes.
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the devs decide if they'll accept it and when will they implement it.
Yes, it's their choice, we have to respect what they do. If they don't use your suggestion, that's how it is. Life doesn't go anywhere without fails!

* If you think I am being unfair cause my main account was from Delta, you're wrong. I've been here from the first day of Beta.



Digital X -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 5:22:10)

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Its always easy to leave when you dont like things like some varium players did.


Agreed. This seems to be the main issue, and not just Varium players, I'm sure some non Varium's did too. The thing is sometimes you have to bite the bullet because not everyone will enjoy the changes that are made in the updates. Some players may highly favor one little aspect, but dislike a lot of larger ones and vice versa. Back in Gamma/Delta (cannot remember which) there were updates I didn't particularly like, got a little upset, and might not have played for a few days because I thought it would have had such a negative impact on me playing it wasn't worth it. But then I thought, hey this isn't so bad I can over see this change for stats, or redo my skill tree to see fit. Keeping this mindset of "although it's a change to the game, I can change my character to fit somehow" has worked wonders for me, and maybe a lot of other members of the community. It's the best thing to keep in mind, while the game changes, you can too.



Silver Sky Magician -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 5:52:01)

As long as humans have roamed the Earth, there has been talk of the world ending. People have been talking of EpicDuel's decline ever since they've known it. I don't know about the Alpha players, but since Beta, players have criticised virtually every update and spoke about its imminent and inevitable downfall. Personally, I think that EpicDuel has never been better.



Mondez -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 9:14:45)

I like how some of the players think the suggestions that are suggested are valid ways to fix ED, but as I stated before and I have seen with OS about this. The devs have consider whether the suggestion would benefit ED, next is will it be possible, the the coding. In the coding part everything must be put into consideration to how it should be coded and will there have to be changes to other parts of the main engine and side coding or errors would be produced. Then comes the testing to where every single byte of coding must be tested to ensure full playability.

Some of the suggestions are great, but time must be taken to ensure whether or not it is possible and the time it will take to develop the suggestion.

Some of the opinions I've seen are mostly biased opinions not taking into consideration of the development. Of course that doesn't mean I agree with every single decision made, I feel some decisions were a little rushed out to make the players happy.



Liz Vicious -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 11:55:42)

Lord Barrius is correct in his summations. The way in which a gaming company views meta data for marketing and development (your all taking it to personally, it's a business) But, drawing conclusions from the general consensus of threads. If it does correlate to a sharp fall in active player numbers since the release of Omega, the developers do need to reevaluate their current position.

I think some of you really aren't getting this so, lets look at Epic Duel like it's a bar or restaurant. Yes, a bar or restaurant does like to retain it's regular custom by being an attractive environment. Customer loyalty is important. But people move onto other bars and restaurants or just move away there is a lot of competition out there. So they then focus the attention on the people who do go in. For many of you, that's not you any more. But, if the bar or restaurant suddenly finds its custom severely dropping off then something is going wrong and they need to identify what that is, it could be one thing or a combination of factors.




zion -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 12:17:53)

Regarding the current discussion I would like to disagree with the moderators. While I can't speak for everyone, I think many people are failing to realize the perspective of veteran players like AH and Xendran.
I would like to give the metaphor of a corporation: Two talented young entrepreneurs carve out a niche in a large market and their business begins to grow. As the business grows, more employees are hired and more money is raised from investors. As the company reaches a critical mass, the company goes public - including a board of directors - to take this young corporation to new heights. The two founders remain in important positions and have important voices in the direction of the corporation. Three years pass and the company isn't doing as well as they thought. The board of directors decide that to save their investment they need to hire a new management staff including a hotshot CEO. After a couple years, the CEO and board of directors realize that the founders are no longer capable of taking the corporation any further. They are demoted/fired/asked to resign etc.
I am in no way saying that the current devs are incapable of running this game. However, if AE determined that to be the case, I wouldn't be surprised since it happens all the time in the corporate world.
We like the game and have invested time & money into the game. That's why we want the game to progress in the healthiest and most productive way!



Mondez -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 16:20:03)

So basically the majority of opinions don't matter while the opinions of the few have more insight so they should be listened to? Sorry to say, but everyone has the right to voice as long as they have the proper data to backup their claims. That's why businesses fail because they listen and get reeled in by the few while the voices of the majority are ignored.

Even if veteran players have insights in the game, a new player could have valuable insight in a couple of days of understanding.



Ranloth -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 16:23:35)

I'm a Founder, does that mean I'm more important than others because I'm around for quite a while now unlike newer players? Does that mean whatever I say - even if wrong - is more right than what a Gamma player would say? Everyone are equal. Being a veteran player means nothing. You have experience of what the game was like before, nothing else. You aren't any more important than newer players. For a business, you are the same as a player who has registered today and bought Varium. You're just another customer with more in-game experience and better insight, nothing else.



toopygoo -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/2/2013 16:43:53)

although im not a founder, and probably should not have input in this current discussion, i agree with trans.

to them, everyone one of you who pays is little more than a player who is just a "potential buyer"
this is a game intending to market, and make money off of people who participate.
they are not looking for more partners
they are not looking for someone to consult
they are looking for people that will purchase what they have to offer.

the reason this forum exists, isnt to hear about your complaints about how they messed up: this is an easy way they can go through things people want wihtout having to read individual letters about the same ideas over and over again.

this is their way of taking polls, and the best part is, they can pretend to never see anything.

i know that some of them are really out to make the game better, but at the end of the day, this is their job, and their way of earning an honest living.



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 3:11:13)

Honestly I think epic duel is really fun right now if you don't take it too seriously. The diversity of all the cores and bot skills make for pretty unique battles every time. Balance is not to bad either. You can succeed with any class right now.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 5:45:28)

@above exactly, people are taking wins and losses too seriously, in a game you are supposed to win some and lose some, no actual harm done.

i also agree with trans, just because you played the game longer than anyone else it doesn't mean you have more knowledge about gaming than new players, the new comers might have played other games before they came to ED. also everyone is like a newbie in omega since most of the system has changed, i prefer the balance now compared to delta or beta, most said it was fun in beta because people just play 1v1 for fun but now it is all serious competition, but for what? just a few digits ingame that does absolutely nothing in real life



Stabilis -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 9:58:34)

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while the voices of the majority are ignored.


Even though it helps to please as many people as possible, what really matters is not the number of opinions, but the ones who were right and gave the truth.

If the majority is false in what they want or say, like if class changing costs too much varium or credits (because greed)... what they say is not noteworthy. If the majority is true however, like if cores and promos are pay-2-win as would be enhancements... then what they say is in fact a real issue.



Mondez -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 10:48:42)

If the majority had a good idea then it should be taken into account. I'm not trying to say the majority is always right, but listening to the few that believe they know what they are doing because they are veterans isn't fair to the opinions of others that are new who have interests in ED.

Sometimes new players would surprise and can have insights that veterans do not have that would benefit ED.



Liz Vicious -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 12:00:48)

As I said before. Gaming companies in fact all business that operates online (facebook for example will do this) Use meta data to inform any design, marketing and development. For Epic Duel that's ALL the data across the game. All trends, all behavior. Alleged 'veterans' for all their sense of self importance and value aren't given special consideration. Especially those who state they no longer play but still feel the need to contribute to a forum for some reason. Although you assume your advice is sage and should be listened to you stated you no longer play so your not relevant. 'Veterans' Within the game have no idea of new players gaming experience or behavior (unless you regularly use low level alts so understand the game dynamic from that point of view) So, you don't know what a majority of players actually think of the current game. It's that data which concerns Epic Duel as a business, the new guy who logs in every day, who is considering or just spent money, who is excited by the game. They want to keep him and attract his friends too. Not the concerns of a jaded few on a forum. If you still play (and in a way I cover above) Then fair enough. If the majority suggest something which is practical, doable, technically viable and fits with the companies plans and forecasts (and believe me they plan ahead) It will get implemented. That's how it works folks. Don't take it so personally. It's an online game, a business, run for profit otherwise it wouldn't exist at all.



King of Clubs -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:14:14)

100% agreed. I feel that epic duel is trying to evolve before they have even balanced their current form, as nature will tell you, this cannot be done. They seem to be listening too much to new players while ignoring the more valid opinions of their veterans who have lived thru previous changes and can more accurately predict the effect of new changes on the game. Lastly, they seem to be putting farrrr too much emphasis on new varium items and cores while not addressing key issues in the game such as the leaving partner issue in 2v2 which has been a persistent problem since 2v2s introduction some time ago.



Ranloth -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:16:12)

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They seem to be listening too much to new players while ignoring the more valid opinions of their veterans who have lived thru previous changes and can more accurately predict the effect of new changes on the game.

Being older =/= wiser. Quite flawed and biased at that.



King of Clubs -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:23:39)

"Who have lived thru previous changes"



Ranloth -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:32:52)

Yeah, so what? If you don't play the game now, you don't have the experience which players who just started playing have because you've played through it (i.e. lower levels) in the previous phases.

Going by your logic, if you're not a Founder, please leave this thread because your points are sooooo on another level that they've caused my brain to hurt. Don't even bother posting here again because you know nothing. I'm a Founder, you're wrong, don't even post here. Not nice, is it? Not right either, eh? Being veteran is just a personal 'accomplishment' if anything, that you've played for that long. You're not smarter than others. You have the experience of the past, nothing else. You're NOT any better than others, perhaps even WORSE if we compare the knowledge which matters now, rather than what was in the past.

No, veterans cannot predict effects of changes. No, veterans should not have a bigger say than other players. No, new players aren't stupid when compared to veterans. Liz, Mondez and Void cover it nicely. Look back few pages to read LB's posts as well regarding your veteran "title" and how important it is. If it makes you feel happier, keep thinking you're smarter than others because of it. In reality, this "title" gives you nothing but more experience than other players. Experience doesn't translate to having a bigger say and being more right. If that was the case, we'd see P2P everywhere due to certain 'veterans' who wanted the game to be fully P2P and F2P to suck out because they don't pay. Not a good change, is it? But veterans are always right! Not..



King of Clubs -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:39:58)

I also play two level 20 accounts, and the new updates have been detrimental to all of them. The fact of the matter is, experience =experience, it is very hard to play through a game without learning anything.



Ranloth -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (6/3/2013 21:56:39)

Experience varies for everyone and biased opinions are biased. What then? I say game should be P2P and those who cannot afford to pay $100 should quit now. I'm a veteran (Founder) so I must be the smartest player in ED, Devs being just behind me.



Dark Worshgiper -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (8/1/2015 21:17:32)

Alessio left the game . shouldn't be sad ?



8x -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (8/2/2015 2:52:37)

Dark Worshgiper the Necromancer.



Camoflague MerC -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (8/2/2015 15:19:03)

If you want to save your game ED listen to the community for once in 6 years (lol), Balance > Everything. There are people here who actually care about the game and have spent their time and effort coming up with many wonderful suggestions for such a long time, but you spat in their faces by never replying or even acknowledging your community. We know your well aware of your position, but do you? this game had so much potential but you were corrupted so easily by money, this is yet another post that the developers will never deign to look at, but i am posting for the many frustrated players that wont, this will be my last post ever on these front of a forums. Goodbye.



Dark Worshgiper -> RE: Epic Duel's Decline (8/2/2015 16:37:43)

Well . i wrote my name by mistake . it's Dark worshiper . Worshiper of Nulgath .



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