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Tehmages -> The game (8/17/2013 15:25:03)

What about if you make this game in Java and not in flash.

What features Java can give you:
Safer connection, no need to worry about exploits.
Trading feature will work with no exploits in Java.
Faster game experience, ( no lag especially while changing tabs )
One-time cache download ( Updates will download automaticlly )
Chance for full-screen ( But flash can do this too )
Easilly to modify
Better Graphics

Hope you will think about this!

Kind regards,
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Exploding Penguin -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:30:30)

I heard somewhere that it's coded in a language parallel to java or c++.




Tehmages -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:31:15)

Java is code language. and Java is coded with Java :p

If you mean that Flash is coded with Java or c++, you're wrong




Ranloth -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:38:02)

Re-coding of the whole game will not be happening. It is meant to be made in Flash, as per all the other AE Games.




Tehmages -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:39:16)

Re-coding will not be needed. Of course you will have to change the client code, not a problem. Epicduel has the other files.




The Incredible Hulk -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:41:45)

There's reason why AE do not use java (excluding 3D AQW). One main reason is because when you download something (not java; a software program) ; it may give you a virus or your spyware could detect a trojan. And you know what AE is like; they like to keep there games safe.....




Exploding Penguin -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:42:49)

If I remember correctly, there are multiple ways of implementing object-oriented coding languages into flash.




Tehmages -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:43:18)

Nothing will detect Java as virus if AE doesn't itself add a virus to files that requires to download. If this would happen it would mean that we all would've a virus all-the time.




Exploding Penguin -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 15:58:04)

what?

I said something about implementing object-oriented languages and now you're saying something about viruses...




The Incredible Hulk -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 16:00:51)

@ Penguin

He was saying that to me ^^




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Nothing will detect Java as virus if AE doesn't itself add a virus to files that requires to download. If this would happen it would mean that we all would've a virus all-the time.

Wrong

And plus java is much slower then flash.




Tehmages -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 16:04:54)

Flash may be a little bit faster than Java because it's lighter than Java, but Java is pretty fast and you won't get lag & disconnections while changing tabs etc.

quote:

If you have an older version of a signature file in place for your anti-virus client software or your specific anti-virus client software vendor may have failed to include into their latest signature file that the current version of Java is not a virus, it may therefore result in a false-positive state, where you are led to believe that you may have downloaded a virus with your latest version of Java software.




The Incredible Hulk -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 16:29:45)

quote:

We're OUTLAWS! Everyone at AE is a Criminal! Living on the edge, baby! http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130708/12350523738/way-to-go-florida-governor-signs-law-that-accidentally-bans-all-computers-smartphones.shtml


There's no point. They are not even supposed to be using a computer! Otherwise it is illegal to do so. EPICDUEL are now outlaws!!! They are breaking the law!!!!




Exploding Penguin -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 19:54:02)

Or you could just go hardcore and program everything in something low-level like C.




Stabilis -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 20:08:10)

The problem is not Adobe Flash, just Flash Player.




Dual Thrusters -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 20:54:56)

Many gamers have...complications with Java. And really, there is nothing wrong ATM with ED being a Flash game.




CN2025 -> RE: The game (8/17/2013 21:17:21)

they need to focus on the game right now any way they are losing players fast due to really really lame features that players dont need right now ,they need to do a WOW factor before focusing on other areas .Plus flash is way better then java imo




Exploding Penguin -> RE: The game (8/18/2013 1:40:04)

one of my worries is that if you code it in java then every player may have to install the JDK/basic java library files, which would be a pain.




Lycus -> RE: The game (8/19/2013 15:06:50)

Locking this up since it is not going to happen!

I will explain why, making the game run through Java is not as simple a switching a switch. Maybe things can be converted, but the amount of bugs that would come about due to the conversion would be mad. Bare in mind ED is coded through AS, due to the fact this is a specialist area for the EpicDuel coders and they know AS very well, switching to Java will likely only lead to troubles due to it being a different language and nothing ever translates one hundred percent correctly.

The benefits you have listed are certainly not always true, yes it may be harder to create exploits against Java games, but it is still possible. Java created games are still just a vulnerable, look at games such as Runescape who have made multiple issues with these things over the years, despite being made in Java. If anything, people have more trouble with Java as a player on their computers than people tend to have with Flash. It has been known for viruses and other things to actually come through Java and this has actually happened recently with big issues arising and calling for Java to be made more secure. Flash has not had these types of massive issues in the past, so you can easily argue that is the most secure for users and exploit wise, you get them in both, it is just up to us to try and fix them as we become aware of them!

EpicDuel's graphics are made in its own specific style, it is easy to generically say 'better graphics', but there is not exactly a set meaning to that in this sense. You can say that better graphics means more realistic, more like WoW or Skyrim, but every game has its own graphic style. EpicDuel has its own graphic style in a detailed flash art way. Just as AQWorlds has its own style, as does MechQuest, DragonFable, Oversoul, Adventure Quest and so on. Every game is faced with a decision of whether to make graphics towards a certain style they want to work towards, or to work towards photo-realism. AE's games work towards their own style and like to explore more new styles as HeroSmash and PvP show, and this is simply how they work!

The trading feature is not in EpicDuel due to the fact it would only cause problems; people trading weapons to lower level alts so they are fully kitted out from level one, players scamming others out of weapons and many others. It is not exploitable, simply a poor move towards balance and player safety.

Lag wise, lag will occur on all games, it is dependent on so many factors other than just what the game is played through. It can be dependent on things from the game client size, the game servers, your computer/laptop specs (RAM, Processor, Graphic Card and so on), your internet speed and type of connection, the browser you use, the amount of players in your area, the amount of people online, the amount of time your computer has been on without restart, how many pages and applications you have open... As you can see the list is very long and that is only the start of it. Simply saying 'no lag' faster game is certainly not true, since on my old laptop I still experience a lot of lag on some Java games, sometimes even more than I do on EpicDuel or another Flash game.

Though it is a nice suggestion and thank you for the consideration; I have a strong feeling you may have got your ideas from Runescape or another Java game similar... In which case though some points are correct to a limited point, you do need to do more research because you will certainly see that Java has a lot of issues as well and has had a bumpy past. It is completely debatable whether it is better than Flash or not and blunt statements saying it simply is better just are not really justifiable. Both languages have their drawbacks and both have their own positives, EpicDuel is made in Flash and will stay that way at least for now!




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