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Elite Tuga -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 20:33:39)

Well its a start & it helps! If you don't bother enough then it will never come reality or at least not so soon.



Mother1 -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 20:34:21)

@ Elite tuga

There is also one other thing they take into account with this. Wait times. The main reason they made the gap as it is in the first place was so wait times wouldn't be through the roof. Remember the first legion vs exile filter?

That made wait times so long that people wanted it gone. Even with unfair match ups since it took them so long to get fights.

Plus with what the staff did in the last update (nerf damage and buff defenses to make matches longer) this change would make finding fights take even longer at least and at the worst not getting fights at all.

Also When I mentioned removing the level gap period, I was saying 'if' they had to do that. I am personally against lowering it, but if they had to do it they would be better off doing that since all the other solutions mentioned were halve solutions. In other words if you are going to punish those who don't like waiting at least solve the fair fight issue 100% by stitiching up the gaping wound and not put a band aid over it which is what cutting the level range would be doing like almost everyone else suggested.



Elite Tuga -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 20:43:16)

OK, that said best option here is a public vote maybe made by 'Rabblefroth' in-game & if players want fairer fights they agree or if they don't want to prosecute time then they disagree. W/e the outcome players will eventually adapt to it because nothing proves superior & adequacy than 'Democracy.'



Syx -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 20:57:26)

Wait times... Eh?

That is still a poor excuse for brutally unfair pairings for match-ups... Sometimes, things that take time are well worth it...

While we're on the subject of time, matches tend to last a lot longer with this new update than ever than before... Which, is something I consider to be a pro in regards to the game being dubed, Epic Duel.

The matter of, "It takes to long for this fight to begin", pales in comparison to, "WHY AM I IN THIS FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!"

Just my two cents.

Btw... Why can't they implement a roster of potential opponents?! That is bloody genious! Allow us to SELECT our teammates.

... That is beautiful...

Post edited to remove profanity ~M4B



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:05:21)

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Allow us to SELECT our teammates.


And the players who don't get accepted wait there for an eternity?



Syx -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:13:45)

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And the players who don't get accepted wait there for an eternity?


It depends upon how this is structured.

You could either, A: Give everyone a turn to chose. Those who haven't been chosen before get to choose next. I don't get picked, so I get to pick next. B: Set an time limit in lieu of/in addition to A, making choosing quickly matter. C: A combination of the two on an Exile side/Legion side, mutually exclusive roster.

Seriously, there are a lot of ways to balance this, and seems far simpler than the current paradigm.



Altador987 -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:15:44)

i honestly haven't seen much time difference as far as battle duration and i've only had one extremely long match with a poison bot tech and dex only tech mage and it really came down to me entertaining myself and seeing how long i could last but otherwise... meh



Mother1 -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:16:54)

@ Syx

Well while you think it is a poor excuse, others don't. Some people are patient others aren't.

I myself don't care about my partners levels because as I mentioned before I could get a high level partner but he could have either a garbage build, or have no gear. I tend to look at what my partner brings to the table and how I can work with them. That is what I believe 2 vs 2 is about.

Also your idea was mentioned in another shape of form which was ally linking which was rejected due to the abuse it can cause.

As for how I feel about them making matches longer I feel it was a bad idea for the following reasons.

1 They purposely nerfed offensive builds while super buffing defensive ones and to add injury to insult they didn't even nerf all offensive sources. They left Dex and Tech skills the same while nerfing only Strength and 2 support sources. Sorry but to not only destroy variety, but balance as well for longer matches with a small player base. Sorry not a good idea IMO

2 As I mentioned we already have a small player base and by making matches longer you get less fights, longer waits and less credits and the prices for items are still sky high. Less fights means less money for buying items for battle. not good.

There are other things I can point out that went wrong with this update, but I won't since it is taking this topic off topic.

my point is not everyone feels the same as you and a couple of others. Some care for fair fights, some care about getting fights to play and with the changes they made wait times already increased. It takes me 1-2 minutes sometimes to get a 2 vs 2 when it wasn't that long before the update.



Syx -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:28:46)

@Mother 1

Noted, and agreed. Everyone is diffrent, and there are a myriad of claims and debates on this matter.

I am much the same way, Mother1. However, I have recently run into a string of fights where I had partners who were five, to six levels lower than me facing those of equivalent level to myself. That was brutally unfair as every attempt to use, support and otherwise make the best of a bad situation was null'd by focus fire. My last match in particular was strictly unfair, and it showed on my partner in particular who was more vocal about the matter; and if anything, I'm here for him. It was not fair to him. It was not fair to me. It was not fair to the opposition who felt badly about the entire situation. (My main character is LV:28. My partner was LV:22. Our opponents were LV:28 & LV:29.)

Your example only takes higher level partners with potentially poor builds into account, not all of the other possibilities which can and due happen under the current paradigm. And I am here now because of these critical faults.

And yes, while that is all true... That would be getting far off topic.

I, may be in the minority in regards to this issue, Mother1. But the minority should not be discounted. And, I do consider the others. But again, I am here in regards to this, and, several other terrible experiences.



Mother1 -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:37:27)

@ Syx

Actually I already know this is happening at all levels. I play with my alts and I see it happening there as well. I have mentioned it happening in other threads when players made suggestions like this.

This has happened to me a lot as well and I am at the cap so you aren't the only one running into this problem. This is because as I mentioned the shrinking player base, Legion versus exile filter, ETC.

But on another note I am glad you are also trying to come up with solutions to this problem besides trying to cut the level range.



Syx -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/21/2013 21:45:22)

@Mother1

Ah!

And, apologies... I was not aware that you've shared similar sentiments elsewhere.

Additionally, I only just now registered an account, and I've never been much for this forum before now since I've never felt as strongly enough about this to be vocal.

I do hope that I didn't come across the wrong way, I'd just like to see this get resolved before this contributes to the matter of a shrinking player base.

I genuinely enjoy this game; but if this isn't resolved somehow, then people can and probably will drop out. Others may tough it out, but there have been far too many cries for the unfairness of this game for me to simply ignore it anymore.

Thus, I joined the community in hopes that the devs do pay attention to these posts.



kaierti2 -> RE: Matching 2v2 (11/29/2013 10:47:45)

http://image.geotorrents.com/images/28607503105233715949.png

this picture is perfect example why this war is bad for 2 vs 2. exile and exile vs legion and legion. there are almost always 100% unfair battles or 100% fair battles. often. need destroy this war. early dont was so much unfair games. just i can't count

i can put 50 and 100 such picture. look another now http://image.geotorrents.com/images/73956208021642318678.png i didn't win last 4 battles because of low lvl partner always. please tell me anyone getting pleasure for 2 vs 2 now?

just look this is 100% fair battle. http://image.geotorrents.com/images/72074758176954582018.png as i said there are or 100% unfair or 100% fair. this is do bad. need change something



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