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Xamurai -> Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 8:11:59)

Give all juggernauts +19% on ALL stats. Hp,mp dex str, tech and supp. When opponents use an mp steal move. It only steal 50% of normal energy stealing capability.
Give juggs 125% healing.
Easy fix. Will balance out juggernaut instantly. So we have a higher chance of winning and its not suicide.



Mother1 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 8:15:17)

What about lower level jugs who are already dominating? This will cause the opponent who are facing these jugs to be even more overwealmed due to them getting extra powers as well as making their powers weaker.

If anything this will start players complaining about Juggernauts at the lower levels.



Xamurai -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 8:18:24)

this is for lv 35+ players only



Noobatron x3000 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 9:26:43)

so you want to give them full enhancements from delta (which is essentially what 20% to every stat is if not more) a better heal handicap the opponents emps.

Its far to much no.



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 10:06:03)

Jug isn't suppose to be fair or easy. It's a challenge mode.



Xamurai -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 10:13:00)

Not at all. Considering the amount of stats lower levels have with this pathetic omega release. Its WAY to unbalanced. Juggs need a real advantage.



Altador987 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 10:45:55)

jugs don't need an advantage you're a jugg because you overcame the disadvantage of taking two players on at once by being better and stronger... really the way jugg should work is that two lower level player take on a higher leveled player however it'd be more like 2 30's vs a 35 or a 23 and 25 vs a 28 where the ranges are still close... it's not about pulverizing your two opponents.



Xamurai -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 11:14:33)

Juggernaut is close to unwinable at lv 35-40 due to the extra stats lower levels obtained. NOT TO MENTION There are TO MANY WAYS of stealing mp. So juggs are rendered MP'less most of the time.



DarkDevil -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 11:26:55)

you press the jugg button by your own will , so you should be aware that you are to fight the impossible to win and get more gold and exp.

so you shouldn't easily win if you are fighting to win , so drop your idea of boosting yourself , you got the legendary system for that.



Xamurai -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 12:00:16)

Why are you all so avidly against this? The legendary system gives to little of a boost to be of any substantial difference.



Mother1 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 12:05:41)

@ xamurai

you unlike your opponents have a choice in whether you want to be in a juggernaut fight or not. Hadicapping player who have no choice while buffing the player who has a choice isn't fair in the least either. Besides Juggernaut was never meant to be easy to begin with. It is suppose to be a harder battle mode for players.




Altador987 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 16:43:58)

as one who hates juggernaut to begin with as it literally FORCES you to be in a match you DIDN'T ask for, i'd rather not have to deal with a beefed up opponent wasting my time when i never asked to be in the match in the first place... however let's think hypothetically:

say they do take your idea and implement it, imagine all the level 40s (that everyone ALREADY complains about) doing jugg for more rewards and then getting a buff over their opponents... now imagine all the lvl 36s and lower levels getting frustrated due to the fact that they're no longer the top of the food chain (which is already the case in 1v1) with our low amount of players already frustrated and adding this you'll probably see a lot of high leveled players leave... but even worse imagine what happens to the low levels like lvl 20s who already have their time wasted and get picked on (especially during power hour) and are dragged into matches they obviously can't win resulting in no money or exp meaning they can't upgrade or get the bot they've been working so hard to get...

hate to storm on your idea but i don't even see risks i see just flat out negative results from this



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 17:48:12)

I agree, jugg shouldn't be easy but it also shouldn't be impossible. As a jugg you have to have some kind of decent advantage.....other than that.....Jugg is just a way to give lower levels easy wins. Most of the people who say jugg is okay aren't hardcore jugg players like some of us, so they don't understand.



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 17:55:12)

I play jug from time to time. I lose a good bit. I still win some though, oh, and I am a level 39. Its meant to be a challenge I understand that when I click the jug button.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:07:42)

But not every is a 39.....we don't want to work our way up to 40 by gaining more losses than wins. We also don't want to be forced to play 1v1 or 2v2.



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:13:19)

But as you guys have said, it is harder at higher levels. If I can do it pretty successfully why can't you? And no one is forcing you to play jug. Also it isn't an easy win to bash lower levels. Its a challenge. If its too much, then don't play it.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:16:20)

What class are you? I know thay noone is forcing me tomplay jugg, but just as people like to 1v1 amd some people like to 2v2, I want to jugg and stick to it. When you say successful, what do you , mean? A negative ratio isn't succesfull.



Altador987 -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:18:21)

that's nice and dandy that you wanna play it but it always seems one-sided with who wants to be in a jugg match, you never here the 2 player team ever say "oh yay a jugg match" ever because they didn't sign up for that



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:20:07)

I am a bounty hunter. I don't even change my build while swapping battle modes. And by successful I mean winning 1/3. I consider that successful because jug is suppose to be a challenge, meaning I won't always win.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:20:58)

Actually, I've been getting that alot latley....considering the "new players" are actaully old players....



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:26:27)

@Gearz Ok, you're a BH. You can't argue with a Merc. BH is one of the most OP classes in the game right now.



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:29:54)

I agree it is powerful. But I don't use an OP BH build. So you can't really use that excuse. Mercs are also still good in jug. Maybe you just need a new strategy. And to just GET OVER IT. Its a challenge mode. CHALLENGE. That means hard.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:40:46)

Mercs are good in jugg? Have you ever played as a Merc in a jugg battle. Maintaining enegry is impossible. Look at it this way. Merc vs TM and BH=automatic loss. Merc vs Merc and Bounty Hunter= Automatic loss. Merc vs Merc and TM= automatic loss. Merc vs TLM and Merc=Probable. Basicaly what im saying is your going up against 3 enegry drain/gaining attacks most of the time. The only thing merc has is Static Smash. If you use Static then it will be easily countered leaving you with no enegry. So play as a Merc before judging it. Currently, and don't even think about using amy other build than a tank build while jugging as a Merc. Your w/l ration will drop to a -100%. AND I KNOW JUGG IS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD BUT IT IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE WINNABLE. By winnable, I mean that we shouldn't always go 1/3 but instead go 3/1. If Jugg is meant to be hard then why is it so easy for lower levels? That right there should tell you something.

Also, you have no choice BUT to use an OP build was playing as a BH? If you arwn't OP then why don't you have to changed builds throughout game modes? Bounty is balanced



GearzHeadz -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:48:19)

Wins and loses fluctuate with level and class, along with effectiveness in battle modes. You are also using one of the not so strong classes. When you can hardly take on one enemy, why go in a game mode against two? I don't have to use an OP build because I use an efficient build that is counterable and doesn't abuse the system.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Juggernaut easy fix (1/16/2014 18:56:52)

This takes me back to the statememt I made. I don't want to be forced to do 1v1 or 2v2 also I don't want to be forced to change classes. Now do you understand the issuse all of us have with Jugg? Win and Losses fluctuate with level and class. In this case Merc and Tlm should be overwhelming the lbs. Not mages and hunter.



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