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Sambud -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 6:41:41)

Does the drone pet and the CVKS in some way, work together, say I accept the quest for both, would I be able to hand in them without wasting the quest items for one?



Metakirby -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 7:39:39)

According to Ted Zlammy a couple pages back, both quests uses the same items, so once you turn in one, you lose the items for the other as well.

Btw, is their confirmation on whether or not they are sellable? The wiki just states normal sell values. I'm definitely gonna buy both, get the items and then sell if it is indeed possible.



creepy gy -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 8:02:12)

^Above

Well you can sell Bounty Hunters drone pet for 1,8k Acs dont really know about sword pet



Apeiron -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 8:47:03)

@Metakirby: Can confirm the sword pet is sellable.



Metakirby -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 10:12:13)

Ty for the answers, got the items and got my ACs back, I would say 200 ACs + a small amount of reagents is a pretty good deal for these items.[;)]

Anyways, the Drone seems to be ~20-30 seconds faster than CVKS on average (by room hopping in Mobius), it requires no class switching for maximum efficency by not needing to switch between a DPS class and AoE class, although you can certainly farm CVKS well with VHL or LC, with enough patience.

If the leaked drop rates still hold true, then there is literally no reason to get the Sword over the Drone, apart from rarity. The fact that TGs drop frequently from the Drone just devalues the Sword even more. It's great for people who are still farming for VHL, it lessens the burden of TGs by a lot on top of having a faster turn in than CVKS.



The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 10:32:25)

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And lastly, with the release of the two new pets, I felt that the the value of my CVKS dropped significantly. The seasonal pet has an easier quest, AND a secondary quest with an additional reward. And as someone who takes pride in rare items and hates recolors, the very existence of the new pets is offensive.

I don't actually believe this but if you want to claim that your CVKS is devalued, maybe you should think about how Astral Crimson Orb pet owners feel, because CVKS was the original knockoff.
Having every best-in-category item as a long-dead rare is an inherently bad idea in game design.



DoomXDoom -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 11:21:40)

any plans to make the trim n fur of enchanted void overlord capes CC?



darkhl7 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 11:25:36)

do the Bounty Hunter's Drone Pet quest stack??

and does drop Wereboar Tusk fast?



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iDreadnaut -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 16:42:49)

Oh, wow... That's gonna get a lot of complaints, but why make Drudgen and Crag & Bamboozle unsellable?



Keeper of the Owls -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 16:47:51)

If they're going to make Crag and Drudgen unsellable, they could at least make them non-mem.



Iron Volvametal -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 17:40:41)

That's a weird way of handling things.


Does that mean future/previous farming pets will be un-sellable, too, like the Paragon Pets?

Well, just in case, I'm going to finally sell my Mounted Paragon Pet(seeing as Shogun never got a nerf...please don't jinx myself before Mafch...) so I can get the Drone Pet.



Jams Loyal Subject -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 17:47:55)

Are they referring to the Bounty Hunter Blade weapon or pet being unsellable?

Regardless, I'm dumbfounded as to why they would decide to, after all these years, make the 5k Nul pets unsellable. What, a couple of spears and resell within 24hrs is an exploit? Come on now.

Swindle's To Go Hut literally trumps the two 5k pets now in basically every aspect.

~Loyal.



goldslayer1 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 17:52:50)

@Metakirby
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I think it was mostly the change to the VHL quest that caused the change to Dreadrock Gem Exchange as well as the quest designers vendetta against the quest for a longer period of time. CVKS may have been a part of it as well, but what about the Orb Pets, they were released after Dreadrock, but Dreadrock Gem Exchange remained the same after that. It got nerfed when they changed the VHL quest after the weekend, which gave the 100 TGs as a requirement for the quest, as well as some other slight changes, not on release of CVKS.

Yeah but part of nerfing the quest was that there would already be a new way to farm DCS.
So it wouldn't feel like a total nerf/abandonment of DCS.
I distinctly remember one of the designers saying that here in one of the threads.

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Anyways, the Drone seems to be ~20-30 seconds faster than CVKS on average (by room hopping in Mobius), it requires no class switching for maximum efficency by not needing to switch between a DPS class and AoE class, although you can certainly farm CVKS well with VHL or LC, with enough patience.

Did you time all 3 pets?

@Erosion
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I don't actually believe this but if you want to claim that your CVKS is devalued, maybe you should think about how Astral Crimson Orb pet owners feel, because CVKS was the original knockoff.
Having every best-in-category item as a long-dead rare is an inherently bad idea in game design.

I understand Erosion, but CVK wasn't better than Astral Orb. In terms of quest completion time, and in drops, Astral orb is better than CVK.
Astral is also easier because you only have to go to /Graveyard, /Marsh, /Bludrut and /Tercessuinotlim (quick shortcut through NH).
And the most annoying part of that is probably having to walk to Big Jack Sprat, because all the other maps have their monsters accessible close by.

As for the best in category, I disagree, atleast when it comes to Nulgath. Obsoleting previous items is also inherently bad for the game, as it leads to power creep, P2W, and complainer problems.
I saw this happen for years in Epic Duel (before Omega phase), new level would come out, and a slew of of new items with better stats than previous levels would come, obsoleting them.
It forced competitive players to keep spending, and those who didn't want to spend either started falling behind competitively or ended up quitting the game cause they couldn't keep up.

There's obviously some differences between the 2 games, but the idea is the same. Constantly obsoleting previous items is bad as well, hence why a single seasonal pet would've made more sense than constantly releasing rare versions.
I could cite the obvious example of this, but I think you already know.

@Keeper
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If they're going to make Crag and Drudgen unsellable, they could at least make them non-mem.

I've been on this for a while now. Updating the old Nulgath items (That required ACs and mem to obtain) to non-mem and updating the quests of the pets is the way to go IMO.

The mem-to-equip requirement is an outdated system of AE. It should be mem-to-obtain, but free-to-equip (especially for those week/month long rares shops and farming items)
This would incentivize more people to upgrade, since they'd know ahead of time that whatever they obtain through out their membership, wont be useless after it expires.
The last time I upgraded, it was after the release of Evolved Shadow of Nulgath (and got Legendary Archfiend as well). I upgraded because of that armor, knowing that I'd be able to utilize it after membership expires.



Metakirby -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 18:50:57)

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Did you time all 3 pets?

No, I did not and it's too late now, I already sold both.

I did however time a best case scenario without the pet (where everything drops 100% of the time and no one steals your Boars) in a public junkyard, which can hold 12 people btw, and it was still slower than your average Drone Turn in. The completion time is comparable to CVKS. The timing were based on doing enough for only 1 turn in, so CVKS of course saves time by farming multiple Aquamarines and farming in Faerie/Tercess, while still in their respective areas, same with Drone. The Blade would of also save a little bit of time only having to travel to Onibaba once every 2 turn ins, but that's pretty minimal.

So the Blade is not as bad as I first thought, it's CVKS with TGs instead of DCS, which is still pretty "meh..." for something that costs 500 ACs more. The Drone is still the obvious choice, but for both the Blade and the Drone, it can be tough farming it casually, since the Wereboar is gone in an instant, at least while the pets are still fresh.



The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 19:00:40)

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As for the best in category, I disagree, atleast when it comes to Nulgath. Obsoleting previous items is also inherently bad for the game, as it leads to power creep, P2W, and complainer problems.
I saw this happen for years in Epic Duel (before Omega phase), new level would come out, and a slew of of new items with better stats than previous levels would come, obsoleting them.
It forced competitive players to keep spending, and those who didn't want to spend either started falling behind competitively or ended up quitting the game cause they couldn't keep up.


There was a seasonal cape in DragonFable that cost 200 DCs. It was the best cape since its debut for five years. Only late last year was there a better cape that is stronger offensively and overall, and that one is STILL weaker defensively. Anyone who isn't around to get that cape is at a massive disadvantage compared to anyone who was, and if that cape was perma-rare, they would have been worse off for five years.

Items have to get stronger in at least one stat, or else nobody will want it. Powercreep is just a thing that has to happen.
If new players entering a game are at a huge disadvantage, then there's much less incentive to start/continue playing, especially when earlier players are inherently better off by way of game knowledge and standalone rares before having to consider rare items that permanently make future tasks easier.
Abyssal Angel for one, still the best farmer in 2 years. I also believe that Vampire Lord shouldn't be better (because of how easy it is to get), but not having AA means you are at least 25% slower. If you don't have CVKS or an Orb, you are literally hundreds of times slower at getting blood gems and some other items. New pets are an equalizing factor, and the thing that separates people with CVKS/Orb and people with this Drone/Blade is that those people got to use their pets for an entire year.

Imagine if Alpha Pirate, or hell, Leprechaun was the best class in the game. That would be awful, because it means new players are permanently worse off, and older players don't have an incentive to get new classes. It's Lightcaster vs Glacial Berserker vs Void Highlord all over again.

If anything is going to happen, it will likely be another change to make Drudgen and Crag pets a little friendlier.



goldslayer1 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/20/2018 20:07:58)

@Metakirby
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it can be tough farming it casually, since the Wereboar is gone in an instant, at least while the pets are still fresh.

A low pop server will be better to farm in. Artix and Yorumi are always high population.

If its near the same, then that's good, but I heard someone say it was 30 seconds faster than CVK per quest.

@Erosion
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If new players entering a game are at a huge disadvantage, then there's much less incentive to start/continue playing, especially when earlier players are inherently better off by way of game knowledge and standalone rares before having to consider rare items that permanently make future tasks easier.

Which is why seasonal is better, so its always the same seasonal item, rather than pumping out rares on a yearly basis.
Asking for a slightly slower or worse pet (that's going to be seasonal) in comparison to prior rare iterations wouldn't be a huge disadvantage, because said pet is still better than nothing.

And you pretty much cited the only item that is multiple times better to farm with one of these pets, that being Bloodgem.
A bloodgem via KTV is roughly 40 minutes, but its multiple times faster through the pet (you can probably get 4 in an hour).
Vouchers are easy drops everywhere, and non-mem vouchers seem to be hard across the board.
Uni 13 can be had through Larvae (I remember getting one or 2 every 26 larva quests) or through the non-rare C&B Diamond Exchange quest, which is better than any other pet quest, by far.
DCS is still better with these pets, but not multiple times better, and there's current non-rare methods for farming it.

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Items have to get stronger in at least one stat, or else nobody will want it. Powercreep is just a thing that has to happen.

There's a difference between it happening due to level growth (i.e. a lvl 85 item outgrowing a lvl 65 item), and it being a quest/feature. These pets aren't the former, the level growth on them doesn't matter.

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Imagine if Alpha Pirate, or hell, Leprechaun was the best class in the game. That would be awful, because it means new players are permanently worse off, and older players don't have an incentive to get new classes. It's Lightcaster vs Glacial Berserker vs Void Highlord all over again.

You mean like Vindicator of They? This situation isn't comparable to the classes IMO but classes are at the core of the gameplay.

The reason why I believe that this pet (that shouldn't have been 2) should be seasonal, but still slightly worse than prior ones is so we can finally break this cycle of yearly pet rares, complaints, and power-creeps.

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New pets are an equalizing factor, and the thing that separates people with CVKS/Orb and people with this Drone/Blade is that those people got to use their pets for an entire year.

That's kind of the whole point of rares and seasonals...
After this event is done, someone will create an account and not have a farming pet until next year's BDay, should we criticize Drone/blade pet owners for having a year's advantage on Drone/Blade pet?

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If anything is going to happen, it will likely be another change to make Drudgen and Crag pets a little friendlier.

I've been in favor of this over new rare pets.
Updating Drudgen and C&B quests and making the pets non-mem (or atleast mem-to-obtain but non-mem to equip) will do much more for the Nation than releasing yearly rare pets.



creepy gy -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 7:18:26)

So for the first time i wanted to do Kiss the void quests fought some Legion Fenrir and they do not drop Broken Betrayal Blade. Is it rare drop? (Any mention how rare)



Metakirby -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 8:04:40)

It's quite low, but I always compared them to essences' 10% droprate, rare enough to where it can really annoy you, but not so rare it only drops once in a blue moon, although it feels like that sometimes. I find it to be the longest and most tedious part of KTV since Tendurrr is no longer an issue because of Buyback.

I still wish I knew about it back when I farmed my 100 Blood Gems for NNH, but oh well.[&:]



creepy gy -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 9:41:44)

Well on the bright side you can get Archfiends Favor and Nulgaths approval. Is Kiss the Void good way to get uni 10? And how can you use Buy back to get that pet? (It doesnt show in my list (Does this work with Dragonfire blade for Archfiend Doomlord?))



XeNON_54 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 10:20:25)

It's probably on another page on your list if you already have stuff in it.



Metakirby -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 10:31:57)

I would say it's a decent method of obtaining Uni 10s, but Uni 10 is rarely ever used for anything. The only time you will need to farm Uni 10s manually is if you are doing ENNH without any of the birthday pets. You seem to be going for VHL based on your inventory, so I would suggest just doing the Void Highlord Challenge quest to get the Uni 10s you need for Void Crystal A.

Yes, the Tendurrr Buyback works the same as with Dragonfire Blade for Willpower Extraction.

As XeNON mentioned, it could easily be on another page, since the Buyback is alphabetically ordered.

Something unrelated, but it's now possible to get to the Big Bad Boar in a private instance without needing to walk all the way across the map. Just join your preferred instance of greenguardwest, click the "map" on the top right of the screen, travel to the Insomniac Beauty and walk 1 screen down. Maybe it's useful for some people with the Drone or Blade pet.



darkhl7 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (1/31/2018 12:50:00)

is it just me r does totem drop so slow from drone pet i did about 10 turn in didnt get at least one???



sudz16 -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (2/1/2018 9:37:52)

I was intending to save the spare 2000 acs I had laying about for Dages inevitable new paragon but a pet with a quest that gives DCS at a good consistent rate was just to good to pass up.

Love farming Nulgath stuff but DCS has always been the bane of my questing adventures.



teravor -> RE: =AQW= Nulgath Zone/Item Discussion (2/1/2018 18:38:24)

So I've never really engaged in proper Nulgath farming before, but I got both Akumi pets and I've got a Ceremonial Void Knight Sword left over, so which of those three pets has the quests that are best for farming for Nulgath reagents?



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