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12/31/2018 9:13:02   
LUPUL LUNATIC
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 Why does the New Year Spell has 1.2 Cost and -20% penalty ? I get the penalty for omnielemental was made in power reduction(*0.8) but why add the 1.2 cost too?
AQ  Post #: 51
12/31/2018 14:11:24   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 Hopefully the last update for New Year's Surprise: it now gets -5% cost because it's MC. Thanks to AliceShiki for pointing this out!

Effect: +16 BTH for 5 rounds. 
Level	10	35	60	85	110	135	143	115
Type	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z
PowLvl	44	57	73	95	120	145	153	125

MPCost	145	202	274	377	504	646	695	531
SPCost	109	151	205	283	378	485	521	398

MCPrice	396	814	1474	2409	3674	5324	5940	3971
MCSell	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z

(It affects all 8 elements, so it gets the omni-elemental penalty of *0.8 effect and *1.2 cost. MC reduces that to *0.8 effect and *1.15 cost.)

(+X BTH changes your base hit rate from 85% to (85+X)%, so you're effectively dealing *(85+X)/85 damage or more simply +X/85 damage. +20 BTH overcaps, but there's probably some dodgy monsters where you want that extra +5 BTH so the overcap doesn't matter. You're dealing *105/85 -> +20/85 damage for 5 turns, so it's worth x(5*20/85) of a Melee attack in SP/MP. Combined with the elemental penalty it's +(20*0.8)=+16 BTH for (100/85*1.15) of a Melee attack.)
AQ  Post #: 52
1/1/2019 17:38:43   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member
 
^ Just to be sure:

Does the +16 BTH for 5 rounds also apply to Pet and Guest or ONLY to Player?

Thanks in advance.


Post #: 53
1/1/2019 19:18:34   
Legendary Ash
Member

The BtH applies only to the Player as breakdown of Lv 143Z's Sp cost of 521*85/(385*1.15) = 1.000225 omitted a /1.4 that would been the penalty needed to have the BtH apply to Pets. Boosting a Guest does not have an additional penalty as Beastmaster build's -25% weapon damage is shifted over to the Guest, its affected by the same BtH amount as a Pure Warrior/Ranger/Mage in total.

< Message edited by Legendary Ash -- 5/16/2020 17:15:11 >
AQ  Post #: 54
1/2/2019 17:04:45   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member
 
Thanks, Ash.

Sorry I forgot something, just to be sure:

Do spells get the +16 BTH or halved of the boost which is about +8 BTH?

Thanks in advance.


Below, great, thanks LL for asking Kamui.


< Message edited by Bu Kek Siansu -- 1/2/2019 22:07:48 >
Post #: 55
1/2/2019 20:06:21   
LUPUL LUNATIC
Member
 

 I asked on discord and Kamui said is a global bth boost so it affects the same spells too (kinda makes sense).
AQ  Post #: 56
1/11/2019 14:57:30   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 Frostval Giftbox spell: Spectral Chains. Kam says:

Quick-cast spell, only usable once per battle. Has the base damage of a normal spell (so any damage boosters will work on it same as they do a regular spell), but takes a -37.5% (75% Melee) penalty due to not taking a turn. MC effect mitigates 5% (10% Melee) of the penalty, so it's actually a -32.5% damage penalty. Nothing unusual otherwise. 

Level	10	30	50	70	90	110	130	150
Type	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G
PowLvl	19	36	54	73	93	113	133	153

MPLvl	16	34	53	72	92	112	132	152
MPCost	78	131	194	265	348	441	543	653

Base	17	30	47	66	90	117	146	179
Rand	35	61	92	133	180	233	294	358
Stat	225.4	337.6	456.4	581.8	713.8	845.8	977.8	1109.8
BtH	4	9	13	18	23	28	33	38
AQ  Post #: 57
1/26/2019 22:07:33   
poopbum
Member

What does Spectral Chains have to compensate for being usable only once per battle? The MC alone already seems kinda small in terms of melee %, compared to the MC value of what the frostval past weapons/shields got.
AQ  Post #: 58
1/26/2019 22:22:27   
Legendary Ash
Member

The MC effect assumes 5% of a standard 200% melee spell instead of 5% of a quickcast 125% melee spell, that is worth 10% compared to 6.25%, which is 3.75% more on a single cast than supposed to if balanced on no restrictions on cast limit.

The single cast limit forces players to bring another spell of the same element, which would most likely involve compression worth 5% melee on an item in order to benefit from the 3.75% melee, the design is not worth it unless the compression is at least three item compression.
AQ  Post #: 59
2/9/2019 23:24:03   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 GGB UR: Arms of the Dragonguard

MC Fire spell. Comes in Magic MP spell and Ranged SP skill variants.

Two hits, Fire damage, -40% damage. Afterwards you gain +45*(1 + [INT|DEX]/VStat) % Lucky Strike rate for two turns.

Scales based on [your Guardian level] (for Guardians) or just [your level] (Adventurers); below are sample stats. 
Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G
PowLvl	15	23	41	59	78	98	118	138	153

MPLvl	12	21	39	58	77	97	117	137	152
MPCost	68	92	146	212	285	371	466	569	653
SPCost	41	55	88	127	171	222	279	342	392

MCDP	18	24	89	613	4841	38930	313757	2529504	12102583
MCDS	8	11	44	306	2420	19464	156878	1264751	6051291

Base	19	27	46	69	96	129	165	206	239
Rand	20	27	46	68	96	128	165	205	238
Stat	199	251.8	370.6	489.4	614.8	746.8	878.8	1010.8	1109.8
BtH	3	5	10	14	19	24	29	34	38
AQ  Post #: 60
2/22/2019 3:08:20   
  Kamui
 Hashire sori yo Kaze no you ni!


 Skill Scrolls

Blazing Phoenix, Aqua Edge, Terra Crunch, Radiant Might, and Arctic/Gale/Electro/Umbral Impact for names.

One per element, each one is just raw damage, no funny stuff, they inflict Melee damage and cost 100% Melee in SP cost. They are all neutral in damage and accuracy lean, and each does 6 hits of damage. Basically completely standard stuff, MC effect is a simple +5% damage. 

Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	G
PowLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	153

MPLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	152
SPCost	30	45	80	120	166	217	273	335	392

Base	8	15	30	48	69	93	120	150	179
Rand	17	28	58	94	136	184	238	298	358
Stat	133	199	331	463	595	727	859	991	1109.8
BtH	1	3	8	13	18	23	28	33	38

MCPrice	35	47	178	1226	9682	77859	627513	5059007	24205166
MCSell	17	23	89	613	4841	38929	313756	2529503	12102583
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 61
2/22/2019 10:44:48   
Zennistrad
Member

I'm assuming all of the new SPells use STR for damage calculation instead of INT? It seems like a given but I'd like to get official confirmation.
AQ  Post #: 62
3/7/2019 15:07:30   
arcanum37
Member

quote:

GGB UR: Arms of the Dragonguard

MC Fire spell. Comes in Magic MP spell and Ranged SP skill variants.

Two hits, Fire damage, -40% damage. Afterwards you gain +45*(1 + [INT|DEX]/VStat) % Lucky Strike rate for two turns.

Scales based on [your Guardian level] (for Guardians) or just [your level] (Adventurers); below are sample stats. 
Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G
PowLvl	15	23	41	59	78	98	118	138	153

MPLvl	12	21	39	58	77	97	117	137	152
MPCost	68	92	146	212	285	371	466	569	653
SPCost	41	55	88	127	171	222	279	342	392

MCDP	18	24	89	613	4841	38930	313757	2529504	12102583
MCDS	8	11	44	306	2420	19464	156878	1264751	6051291

Base	19	27	46	69	96	129	165	206	239
Rand	20	27	46	68	96	128	165	205	238
Stat	199	251.8	370.6	489.4	614.8	746.8	878.8	1010.8	1109.8
BtH	3	5	10	14	19	24	29	34	38


Seems to only last 1 turn, a bug?

Edit: @Zennistrad Oh, I see then. Never mind.

< Message edited by arcanum37 -- 3/8/2019 5:13:36 >
AQ DF  Post #: 63
3/7/2019 17:10:52   
Zennistrad
Member

Nah, that's just how turns work. It gives two turns of the buff, which allows the buff to last through the turn as it ends, and then it has one turn left on the next turn.

If it gave only one turn, the buff would end immediately after the turn you cast it ended.
AQ  Post #: 64
3/9/2019 22:39:19   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 Skill Scrolls. Kam says:

Blazing Phoenix, Aqua Edge, Terra Crunch, Radiant Might, and Arctic/Gale/Electro/Umbral Impact for names.

One per element, each one is just raw damage, no funny stuff, they inflict Melee damage and cost 100% Melee in SP cost. They are all neutral in damage and accuracy lean. Basically completely standard stuff, MC effect is a simple +5% damage. 

Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	G
PowLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	153

MPLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	152
SPCost	30	45	80	120	166	217	273	335	392

Base	8	15	30	48	69	93	120	150	179
Rand	17	28	58	94	136	184	238	298	358
Stat	133	199	331	463	595	727	859	991	1109.8
BtH	1	3	8	13	18	23	28	33	38

MCPrice	35	47	178	1226	9682	77859	627513	5059007	24205166
MCSell	17	23	89	613	4841	38929	313756	2529503	12102583
AQ  Post #: 65
3/11/2019 17:41:42   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 Not sure if you need subs for it but: Old LTS item that's now gone: Eona's Draglins. Kam says:

Standard spell, seeks Ice/Light, nothing unusual otherwise. 

Level	3	23	43	63	83	103	123	143
Type	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z
PowLvl	41	50	62	76	93	113	133	153

MPLvl	31	43	57	72	90	110	130	150
MPCost	121	159	208	265	340	431	532	642

Base	35	43	55	70	90	117	146	179
Rand	68	85	108	139	180	233	294	358
Stat	370.6	430	509.2	601.6	713.8	845.8	977.8	1109.8
BtH	10	12	15	19	23	28	33	38

MCPrice	308	583	1001	1573	2321	3289	4477	5940
MCSell	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z

MCDP	196	371	637	1001	1477	2093	2849	3780
MCDS	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z	Z
AQ  Post #: 66
3/14/2019 15:39:39   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member
 
Can we get the info subs for Void Dragon Ambush, Void Dragon Assault, Void Dragon Blitz from the Void Dragon Queen challenge?


Post #: 67
4/7/2019 21:21:47   
AliceShiki
Helpful!


 Got some info on the Skill Scrolls spells from discord. Apparently it came only from player testing though, so take it with a grain of salt until actual subs are released.

Many thanks to PD and Lord Markov for sharing this:
quote:


Sneak Strike: 1 turn, your attacks inflict poison with around 2x power, 3 turns of poison, stacks with itself.

Dragonslayer Aura: 2 turns of 25% extra damge on dragons and 15% on drakels and kin.

Fire Dragon Talon: 1 turn, your attacks are changed to fire element and you deal 50% extra damage.

Thunder Wave Blade: 1 turn, your attacks are changed to energy element and your have a chance to paralyze on attack for 1 turn.

Terror Fist: 1 turn, inflicts fear based on the amount of darkness damage you dealt. (Does not change your element)

I should note that fire dragon talon stacks with Bloodzerker

5970 tokens each, scale to your level
using one overrides the others and can't use them more than once a turn


< Message edited by AliceShiki -- 4/7/2019 21:50:24 >
AQ  Post #: 68
6/1/2019 14:52:39   
AliceShiki
Helpful!


 Sharing what the rewards of the Moderator Challenge give... Uhn... Sorry for the double post I guess?

Credits for the info go to Lineolata, CH4OT1C and Kareem.
quote:

Tenacious Dracolich Claws

Darkness CHA-based SPell that gets stronger each time you cast it in a fight, up to 3 times.




< Message edited by AliceShiki -- 6/2/2019 5:57:35 >
AQ  Post #: 69
6/9/2019 9:18:50   
blex12345
Member
 

 Didn't see anyone added this:
quote:

The Hollow
The following changes have been made to these imbue spells in the Skill Scrolls quest:

Terror Fist
Old: Inflict Fear based on Darkness damage inflicted
New: That + Lock weapon attacks to Darkness

Sneak Strike
Old: Poison (Harm, 0.6 of a Melee attack)
New: Follows element of your last attack

Dragonslayer Aura
Old: +25% damage against dragons
New: Greater element seeking vs dragons; standard element seeking vs drakel/dragonkin

Design note from The Hollow
Post #: 70
7/27/2019 19:47:09   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 From the Greatest Warrior I quest: Goggplant Parmesan. Kam says:

Water/Earth seeking spell, 0.25 base lean, *2.2 price for dual-element, nothing unusual otherwise. 

Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	G
PowLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	153

MPLvl	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	152
MPCost	50	76	134	201	277	362	456	559	653

Base	12	22	44	71	103	139	179	224	269
Rand	9	14	30	48	68	92	120	150	178
Stat	133	199	331	463	595	727	859	991	1109.8
BtH	1	3	8	13	18	23	28	33	38

MCP	70	95	356	2453	19364	155718	1255027	10118016	48410333
MCS	35	47	178	1226	9682	77859	627513	5059008	24205166
AQ  Post #: 71
8/13/2019 21:26:51   
demonspawn
Member
 

 RE: Fires of desolation spell.

Already existing subs on it back from '17.

http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=22239416

I used the forums search function to find it ~afterlifex

Still no sign of it in the spell encyclopedia so perhaps it will be added some day - looks like a good alternate spell for fire/darkness compression - through now I'm a bit to far off topic so I'll leave it there.

Apparently the search function malfunctioned when I used it or I simply am not familiar enough to use it efficiently but regardless, thanks for providing a link.



< Message edited by demonspawn -- 8/13/2019 23:36:31 >
Post #: 72
8/15/2019 18:21:48   
  Ianthe
 formerly In Media Res

 

 Furious Trobble

MC Magic Energy spell. Has two possible effects:

8 hits. Starts at -24.75% damage, but gains +10% damage per previous hit from the spell that connects. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this right so:
  • First hit: -24.75% damage
  • Second hit: -24.75% damage, but if the first hit connected then it gains +10% damage for -14.75% damage total.
  • Third hit: -24.75% damage, possibly +10% if the first hit connected, and another +10% damage if the second hit connected, for up to -4.75% damage
    ...
  • Eighth hit: -24.75% damage, +10% per previous hit that connected, for up to +45.25% damage.

    ALSO you can click on the spell during the first ~two seconds of casting time to split the big trobble into three little trobbles. Three hits, -60% damage, and it gives you BTH Boost (+17 BTH, 2*[hits] turns).

    GGB item, so it scales. Here's some sample values: 
    Level	5	15	35	55	75	95	115	135	150
Type	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G	G
PowLvl	15	23	41	59	78	98	118	138	153

MPLvl	12	21	39	58	77	97	117	137	152
MPCost	68	92	146	212	285	371	466	569	653

Base	17	24	42	62	86	116	149	185	215
Rand	24	33	54	82	116	154	197	247	286
Stat	199	251.8	370.6	489.4	614.8	746.8	878.8	1010.8	1109.8
BtH	3	5	10	14	19	24	29	34	38


    < Message edited by Ward_Point -- 2/24/2023 8:03:00 >
    • AQ  Post #: 73
    8/15/2019 19:03:24   
    Warren.
    Member
     

    		 ^ is the angry trobble BTH boost /2 for spells?







    < Message edited by Warren. -- 9/6/2019 13:44:52 >
    Post #: 74
    8/15/2019 21:51:48   
    lolerster
    Member
     

    		 So if I'm not mistaken, if every single attack hits, this thing would do 110.25% damage compared to a normal spell right?
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