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7/1/2009 14:33:10   
tomy 2222
Member

oh man , i have to download IRC again, after they restarted my computer, i havent done it!
im gonna help that fur shure!
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 76
7/1/2009 14:40:50   
Zarpris
Member

the end of the beginning is at hand
at hand also means near or upon us
AQ  Post #: 77
7/1/2009 14:44:37   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 what? is that the solution?
AQ MQ  Post #: 78
7/1/2009 14:46:35   
Un67
Member

Erm... I don't see that anywhere.
AQ DF  Post #: 79
7/1/2009 14:48:17   
final five
Member

We don't know the solution yet. Right now it seems that we are nearing a stand still on ideas for solving it. Or at least the forum is I still can't seem to get into the chat thing
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 80
7/1/2009 14:54:51   
ringulreith
Member

I found this Russian cipher that uses the numbers 0 through 9. It might be interesting.
Post #: 81
7/1/2009 15:01:58   
final five
Member

Looking it up on Wikipedia it sounds like it might need a code word and it has a few steps so we need to know what step we have... this ain't going to be fun if it is that cipher
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 82
7/1/2009 15:06:20   
ChrisX
Member

We need to use that Cipher! It could be it, or atleast give us a hint on how to solve this.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 83
7/1/2009 15:07:44   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 ChrisX... look at it. the final format is completely different from what we have.
AQ MQ  Post #: 84
7/1/2009 15:08:33   
Lord Asrius
Member

We looked at the Russian cipher, and it looks like too many missing things to be viable.
AQ DF  Post #: 85
7/1/2009 15:13:11   
ChrisX
Member

yEAh, I found another problem with it too.
That cipher goes by tens in each line.
OURS doesn't go by only tens, only like two rows have it.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 86
7/1/2009 15:31:38   
Evil Moo!!
Member

Perhaps a binary pattern could help.

Here is the binary translation of the hands assuming raised fingers represent 1's and lowered fingers represent 0's, in first binary and then denary format:

10110 11100 10110 ----- 10110 10110 11100 ----- 01110 11010

10110 10110 11010 11110 11010 10110

11010 00111 10110 00000 10110 ----- 11111 11010 11100 10110 00010

11010 11110 10110 10110 ----- 10110 00010 11110 11010 11010 00010

11010 10110 11110 11010 ----- 11010 00110 01110 11010 01110 11111 01110 11111 11010 11100 ----- 10110 11010 10110 01110 10110 11110

11010 11110 10110 10110

01110 10110 ----- 11010 11110 10110 11100 10110 00000 ----- 10110 11010 11100 00000 11010 00110 10110 ----- 11110 01110 11100


22 28 22 -- 22 22 28 -- 14 26

22 22 26 30 26 22

26 07 22 00 22 -- 31 26 28 22 02

26 30 22 22 -- 22 02 30 26 26 02

26 22 30 26 -- 26 06 14 26 14 31 14 31 26 28 -- 22 26 22 14 22 30

26 30 22 22

14 22 -- 26 30 22 28 22 00 -- 22 26 28 00 26 06 22 -- 30 14 28

(Leading 0's are used to keep everything lined up nicely) :)

This may or may not help in any way, but the hands instantly made me think of this.
Post #: 87
7/1/2009 15:36:29   
Gage12pler
Member

What's the mysterey and the prize I think it's been more than 3 days.
DF MQ  Post #: 88
7/1/2009 15:38:22   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 Evil Moo, how did you determine what was "raised" or not?
AQ MQ  Post #: 89
7/1/2009 15:50:30   
Lord Asrius
Member

I think he interpreted each finger as a place.
AQ DF  Post #: 90
7/1/2009 15:51:49   
Evil Moo!!
Member

I basically asigned each finger a binary digit, those that were extended and fully visible I counted as 1's, those hidden in the palm I counted as 0's.

For example, the top left hand has 3 fingers up and two down including the thumb, in the sequence 10110, so that is the binary value I gave it.
The clentched fist has no fingers extended so I counted it as 00000 or just 0.
Post #: 91
7/1/2009 15:52:02   
redman95
Member

Do you think that the white bands on some of the hands have anything to do with it? I'm stuck.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 92
7/1/2009 15:56:50   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 Gmkk wig mk kfq.
Yzl, b pzeif zpf wtz omh.
Yzjf wte ibimbh xa wvf wt.
Zzpk uiw pnxf opbq f wtamlzo mh.
Zzh uwa eiz mpre hw rw pzq az azp.

A clue, a puzzle, and a key to the puzzle that precedes it in this you must heed.
The lesson and challenges here among the first ever known to man.

< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/1/2009 16:01:57 >
Post #: 93
7/1/2009 15:59:46   
final five
Member

Ya I don't know what to do next so I'm out for now. If I think of something or yall find out the next step I'll come back to see if I can help
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 94
7/1/2009 16:04:08   
forcemaster101
Member

I put the binary through a translator and it said it couldnt translate so Im thinking it may not be binary. when I think of something ill post it.

< Message edited by forcemaster101 -- 7/1/2009 16:05:08 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 95
7/1/2009 16:11:16   
Dornalca
Member

I'm not exactly a cryptographer, but I know that the letter E is always the most used the most.
DF  Post #: 96
7/1/2009 16:16:43   
Vinger
Member

Letter frequency of falerin message.

5 A
4 B
4 E
7 F
2 G
5 H
6 I
1 J
5 K
2 L
7 M
1 N
3 O
8 P
3 Q
2 R
4 T
2 U
1 V
10 W
2 X
14 Z
2 Y

Doubt it can form messages.Too much Z and W,few vowels.Letter substitution or vigenere anyone?

EDIT: About the hand puzzle,I've realised that there are more than one combination of fingers to make a "number".And,as far as I can see,the most used number is 3.Third letter is C.The inverse letter is X.

< Message edited by Vinger -- 7/1/2009 16:20:09 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 97
7/1/2009 16:18:32   
Un67
Member

No, W is for WarpForce

Z is for ... Zard?

Nvm

< Message edited by Un67 -- 7/1/2009 16:19:41 >
AQ DF  Post #: 98
7/1/2009 16:20:09   
redman95
Member

I think it's letter substitution and we know that f and b have to be vowels
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 99
7/1/2009 16:21:18   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 I've just arrived home after a hard day of work, so I'm tired and uninspired. Any ideas about what "The lesson and challenges here among the first ever known to man" may mean? Would "man" there mean "humanity" (so it would be a very ancient cryptographic system) or "each man" (so it would be something related to childhood)?

Edit: there seems to be a little problem with the letter substitution theory: the last two lines of the message start with "zz". There are not many words that start with double letters, and two lines in a row starting with two of those words...

< Message edited by Traveler -- 7/1/2009 16:25:24 >
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