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7/1/2009 19:07:40   
kyoshot
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I know most people had already assumed this at this point but I just went through several long lists of words (thank you scrabble online word banks) along with a letter replacement program and im about 80% sure that the 2nd puzzle we were given is not a basic letter replacement puzzle.
AQ  Post #: 126
7/1/2009 19:11:03   
Plushie
Member

Im sure it is not. 101% sure
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 127
7/1/2009 19:15:31   
kyoshot
Member

After looking at all the previous puzzles it doesn't surprise me that its not that easy but it was an amusing way to spend a day at work I even had my boss helping me out at one point. Luckily I get off of work soon and the library near me has several books regarding ciphers. Hopefully something will pop out at me
AQ  Post #: 128
7/1/2009 20:04:24   
Nex del Vida
Member

What if the hands are a red herring and it's the shapes behind them we are actually looking at? Or both?
AQ  Post #: 129
7/1/2009 20:13:51   
omf
Member

This is, indeed, difficult for me. I'mstill looking through the picture to determine if we missed any patterns.
AQ  Post #: 130
7/1/2009 20:23:22   
TreadLight
Member
 

 http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1078/messsigntemplefin2.jpg

I don't think this has been proposed just yet, but could the yellow parts of the image could be where red parts containing the hand symbols are taken/cut out? I think we should find a pattern with the symbols resented already inside the picture, or maybe use the cipher Falerin presented in his most recent puzzle to find out what the rest of the picture should show.

Well, just an idea.

Edit: Typo. :o

< Message edited by TreadLight -- 7/1/2009 20:25:14 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 131
7/1/2009 20:25:09   
omf
Member

Also, has anyone looked into the parts of the hands [only on certain ones] that are pure white? Every few hands or so a hand has several pure white parts on it, wondering if this could mean anything.
AQ  Post #: 132
7/1/2009 22:41:46   
Branan
Member

wow, i dont get this at all, my first guess was sign langauge, which might i add there are alot of different kinds, so caesar shift now what the heck is caesar shift well ive got nothng well theres a lot of hands only using 3 fingers, so try eliminating those?
hey am i the only one who noticed that eldron is standing in front of a big red spot that sorta outlines him, or am i just overthinking it
it also looks like this is only part off the puzzlesince th lines seem to be able to go on, wat about the other puzzles, didnt they say they would combine?
@ above yeah and only two kinds of hands have those pure white parts hmm
hey some of the hands have a smudge mark, and caries through IDENTICAL to the other ones of it
@ below the double wouldnt work cause theres quodroples of stuff not just doubles
hey there are smudge marks on these hadns, they can be completely identical, or on other hands there not there, if there identical on some of the same hand but not there on the others should we exclude 1 of the 2?
wait what that just restating crazy dude's idea, im confused
um would AE leave out eldron's shoulder in this picture? cause i kno there alot better at artwork than that

< Message edited by Branan -- 7/1/2009 23:04:24 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 133
7/1/2009 22:52:35   
crazy dude
Member

i think ive got it!
spoiler:


there are doubles of each one so remove all of the doubles then put in sign language!

AQ DF MQ  Post #: 134
7/1/2009 23:18:41   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 Well, it seems my contribution to the first puzzle has been forgotten.

If you look at the clue carefully, there are boxes around groups of signs, which I took to be words:
Therefore translated:
797 779 68
778487
83707 58971
8477 714881
8748 8268656589 787674
8477
67 847970 7890827 469

I doubt the white smudges on the hands are important, simply because they are uniform. i.e. the sign for 6 ALWAYS has that pattern of white.
I also transferred the numbers to letters with 0=A, 1=B, etc. and that is on the second page, however, that may be barking up the wrong tree.

However, for the second puzzle/clue
I believe it is some sort of Vigenere/Caesar shift, and we simply need a "key".
Notice though the excess of Zs, and how the first line doesn't have any Zs at all. Perhaps each line needs to be individually keyed?
AQ MQ  Post #: 135
7/1/2009 23:25:47   
Lkeas
Member

That was my thought as well, lordtomato. The first line looks pretty different from the rest. Lots more Z's in the 2nd through 5th lines. Could it be just coincidence? Not sure, unlikely though.

I'm curious about this part of the clue:

quote:

A clue, a puzzle, and a key to the puzzle that precedes it in this you must heed.
The lesson and challenges here among the first ever known to man.


What are the earliest lessons and challenges known to man? Are we talking about the history of cryptography? The earliest ones involved monoalphabetic substitution, transposition, and insertion of extra letters to throw off the reader. But none of those seem like useful methods to solve either puzzle, too simplistic.

Or are we talking simply about lessons and challenges in general? Something like inventing the wheel, discovering fire, making tools, developing language?

As for the first line mentioning the key to the puzzle preceding it, it seems we should solve this one in order to figure out the sign language clue. At least, that's how I read it... the wording is a bit awkward.
AQ DF  Post #: 136
7/1/2009 23:32:03   
Branan
Member

heh, getting out off the birth canal
it could be refering to nero and how the mother told the guards who killed her to stab her in the, place were nero came from, or i could once again be a tired idiot

< Message edited by Branan -- 7/1/2009 23:38:18 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 137
7/1/2009 23:42:15   
tflo
A True Hunter
spoiler:

Total Difference Between each number per line
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 79777968 <--- Total difference between every other number = +1
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 778487 <--- Total Difference between every other number = +/- 0
<Asrius> Hm.
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 8370758971 <---- Total Difference between every other number = +/- 0
<@dimeslicker> excuse me, sorry it's -7
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 8477714881 <---- Total Diff = -7 again
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 87488268656589787674 <---- Total Diff = -4
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 8477 <---- Total Diff = -1
<BBABA> where is this going
<@dimeslicker> <BBABA> 678479707890827469 <---- Total Diff = +3
<@dimeslicker> So it, in all effects, oscilates like a parabola

Total Difference adds up to: -15

Total Sum Per Line
<Vafrous_Vulpix / ColdKick> 60
41
55
55
129
26
108

Total Sum: 474


Not sure if this matters, but meh, took the time to do it with CK.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 138
7/2/2009 0:56:49   
Scartiger
Member

Huh. I'm back... We watched Transformers 2!!! (off topic sorry)
Maybe we could do something with the total sum and the sum of each line..
Post #: 139
7/2/2009 1:30:21   
firedog150
Member

Although it is probably not the same site, it does seem really similar so I will post what I have to say about it.



I think the white spaces are significant because if you go to the site that Eldron or whomever got it from and invert the colors, they look the same.

Supposed Original:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Asl_alphabet_gallaudet_ann.svg/600px-Asl_alphabet_gallaudet_ann.svg.png

This is Inverted colors from above site and filled with red via paint:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/211/41169334.png



Maybe we should only pay attention to the white spaces, or just leave them out.

If we are paying attention to them we may need to look at the location of them on the fingers and such.

If we aren't then we need to take them out and redo the counting thing possibly?



< Message edited by firedog150 -- 7/2/2009 2:51:19 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 140
7/2/2009 2:44:35   
Necrotix
Member

Hello! I'll start working on the puzzle now!

_____________________________
Post #: 141
7/2/2009 5:20:31   
shadowultimate
Member

quote:

Something like inventing the wheel, discovering fire, making tools, developing language?
Hmm, the earliest was discovering fire, as the earliest cavemen communicated through grunts. Although that could be said to be a language 0_0

As I said on IRC last night, the last line of Fal's post has the word empire jumbled up into it. Maybe this is just coincedence, maybe not.
i think we've established though that the numbers from the sign picture are correct.
AQ  Post #: 142
7/2/2009 7:59:52   
DrewDude
Member

I'll see if i can come up with anything.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 143
7/2/2009 9:20:46   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 don't forget fal's clue:

quote:

Overintellectualizing leads to migraines and cluster headaches. Precedes has a simple English meaning. It is that meaning which was inferred. As to what man I meant.... I meant Human no thats not right Eweman... no still not right...


Precedes means... well, if x precedes y, x comes/occurs before y in time.
hahaha. It's not that important though, i don't think.

The second half, however...
Perhaps, not Humans, but all forms of intelligent life? Communication, perhaps?
AQ MQ  Post #: 144
7/2/2009 9:22:06   
shadowultimate
Member

I think Fal was referring to nailwriting as the first human test or something.
AQ  Post #: 145
7/2/2009 9:25:57   
Eldron
Member

*SIGH*

< Message edited by Eldron -- 7/2/2009 9:58:43 >
Post #: 146
7/2/2009 9:32:27   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

This is what Eldron had before he edited his post:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/524/hint.png

__________
100010101 |101010001|
023412340 |043214320|
:-) | (-:|
| |
|_________|

< Message edited by ArchMagus Orodalf -- 7/2/2009 9:37:30 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 147
7/2/2009 9:34:24   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 What orodalf posted was what eldron had before he edited.
AQ MQ  Post #: 148
7/2/2009 9:35:07   
master thade
Member

http://www.tekmom.com/buzzwords/binaryalphabet.html
http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp

< Message edited by master thade -- 7/2/2009 9:37:58 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 149
7/2/2009 9:35:07   
Eldron
Member

Eroneous post, means nothing
Post #: 150
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