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7/15/2009 13:57:24   
kirbymaster2
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Well, I'm almost reasonably certain that this one might have a chance to be the correct method >.> (Previously know as method 3)

CLCVII

VI = 6 V>I 5>1 5+1=6
IV = 4 I<V 1<5 5-1=4
II = 2 I=I 1+1 1+1=2

> becomes +
< becomes 1st is subtracted from 2nd
= becomes +

C > L < C > V > I = I
C + (C-L) + V + I + I
100+(100-50)+5+1+1
157

But really, roman numerals's rule only work when the numerals are written correctly >.>
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 76
7/15/2009 14:00:32   
Krayola
Mmm, I wuv fish!


 Twice now Falerin has stated that notation and order don't matter, only the rules and that notation only matters if a smaller comes first. Follwed by his statemeant that 150>100. So it should be 257.
AQ DF  Post #: 77
7/15/2009 14:01:55   
murdering zealot
Member
 

 no, the bloke who said lc didnt exist was right (50-100=50), THIS ARE NOT ROMAN NUMBERS.
DF  Post #: 78
7/15/2009 14:27:00   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster
quote:

ORIGINAL: Krayola

Twice now Falerin has stated that notation and order don't matter, only the rules and that notation only matters if a smaller comes first. Follwed by his statemeant that 150>100. So it should be 257.


I have absolutely NEVER said order did not matter. Quite the contrary. I concur absolutely that order DOES matter. Further more people seem to be very insistent on a silly concept that Roman Numerals can only be correctly done a single way, I should think earlier puzzles prove otherwise.

Roman numerals are in fact treated as mathematical equations by nature ones whose position determines opertion for this reason:

CCCCCCCMLII according to the rules of roman numerals would be a nonstandard but NOT INCORRECT way of writing 352.

You would think by now arguing with the LoreMaster and his companions would be a non-popular sport.

< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/15/2009 14:31:59 >
Post #: 79
7/15/2009 14:38:57   
mluther
Member
 

 wouldn't that make it 93 43 then?

< Message edited by mluther -- 7/15/2009 14:44:26 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 80
7/15/2009 15:15:58   
Aelthai
Legendary Miss Fixit


 I recommend a good look at certain resources - in particular, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals has a very nice writeup on Roman Numerals and why they are handled teh way they are - and how to handle them. There is a very nice example under "Subtractive Principle" that elaborates on how to follow the standard rules - the article talks about how the standard rules have changed over time ... because they have.

They do imply that 5x10^n numbers cannot be precede a greater valued number ever in that article which might muddy the waters further of course, suffice to say a more accurate statement is that doing so is "Nonstandard" ~Fal

This is true. ~Ael

< Message edited by Aelthai -- 7/15/2009 16:52:34 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 81
7/15/2009 15:31:03   
mluther
Member
 

 what are we even apposed to do with the number once we get it?

That would be telling but the clues have already been given.

< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/15/2009 15:42:27 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 82
7/15/2009 15:42:21   
Eldron
Member

Good question.

Oh, and one of you has it right!



< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/15/2009 15:53:19 >
Post #: 83
7/15/2009 15:50:57   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 Hmm... indeed I missed that.
Post #: 84
7/15/2009 15:51:49   
Eldron
Member


Post #: 85
7/15/2009 16:05:29   
mluther
Member
 

 i don't even know what to say to that. i'm going to take a break, bbl.
AQ MQ  Post #: 86
7/15/2009 16:27:17   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat
quote:

CCCCCCCMLII according to the rules of roman numerals would be a nonstandard but NOT INCORRECT way of writing 352.


700 1052
700<1052
1052-700=352

150 107
150>107
150-107=43

Therefore I believe mluther got it right, that the answer is 43.

Blah. The 157 makes the most logical sense to me.

Of course I don't think this sheds much light on the puzzle in any way whatsoever.

Curiously, when applying the Caesar shift to the enciphered letters in reverse order, I found that certain shifts created different words, but not in overlapping positions.
Words including "ship" and "door", "I am", "put".
Of course, it could just be coincidence, especially since not all letters become words. Also, it's quite possible that it's backwards and spaces don't matter. Trimethius perhaps.

Then again, it could just be a simple substitution in which case I have no leads. whee!


< Message edited by lordtomato -- 7/15/2009 16:29:38 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 87
7/15/2009 16:30:55   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 In Roman numerals, when a smaller numeral precedes a bigger one, the first is substracted from the second. So LC=100-50=50

So CLCVII=157.

Of course, a more standart way to write 157 would be simply CLVII, the other C is redundant (the Department of Redundancy Department at work), but you can do that kind of weird thing with Roman numerals.
AQ  Post #: 88
7/15/2009 16:52:17   
frogboy52295
Member

I <3 google
quote:

A quote attributed to Sigmund Freud. It means that sometimes you don't have to look deeply for answers or meanings, and you should just take things at face value.


so this could be
CLCVII
10050100511


< Message edited by frogboy52295 -- 7/15/2009 16:55:26 >
AQ DF  Post #: 89
7/15/2009 17:22:08   
mluther
Member
 

 Cross the wide sea, CLCVII, to find the good one's friend.

VONY MJJY JYCW ZZNO SSIJ ELZH

CLCVII

100+(-50+100)+5+1+1=157

The rest seem to use medieval roman numerals. If they are what is used, then the next should be :

V=5
O=11
N=90
Y=150
VONY= 150-90-11-5=44

M=1000
J=900
y=150
MJJY=150+900+900+1000=2950

J=900
Y=150
C=100
W=800
JYCW=900+(-150-100+800)=1450

Z=2000
N=90
O=11
ZZNO=2000+2000+90+11=4101

S=70
I=1
J=900
SSIJ=(-70-70-1+900)=759

E=250
L=50
Z=2000
H=200
ELZH=(-250-50+2000+200)=1900

Or 44 ; 2950 ; 1450 ; 4101 ; 759 ; 1900.

< Message edited by mluther -- 7/15/2009 17:24:48 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 90
7/15/2009 17:49:47   
xoloitzcuintli
Member

This is confusing o-o
I wonder why the 'words' all have 4 letters.
AQ  Post #: 91
7/15/2009 18:59:24   
Lord Asrius
Member

Does anyone else know what the cigar quote was in reference to?
And xoloitzcuintli, that is an extremely good point.
But if you put them in a block, the only thing I can see is that there's a vowel in each column.
AQ DF  Post #: 92
7/15/2009 19:04:48   
xoloitzcuintli
Member

Yeah, the fect that there's 4 letters in every word has to mean something. Or maybe they're trying to confuse us. o.o

< Message edited by xoloitzcuintli -- 7/15/2009 19:05:57 >
AQ  Post #: 93
7/15/2009 19:17:42   
murdering zealot
Member
 

 read previous posts, the cigar sentence means we have to judge this riddle by the look of it.
DF  Post #: 94
7/15/2009 19:57:24   
xoloitzcuintli
Member

Hm. Cyphers are pretty interesting, after looking them up on Wikipedia. Sadly, I don't think any of them would solve this. We need a keyword for most of them, and I don't think CLCVII would work.
AQ  Post #: 95
7/15/2009 20:33:47   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 As Eldron's image is a .jpg I would recommend putting it through http://mozaiq.org/decrypt/ ; I would do so myself but I get the "invalid file type" error whenever I try.
AQ DF  Post #: 96
7/15/2009 20:45:03   
xoloitzcuintli
Member

Same, Rhowena. But maybe the image name, 10339697, means something.
AQ  Post #: 97
7/15/2009 20:52:31   
Dragonnightwolf
How We Roll Winner
Apr/Jun/Aug15


 When in Rome, do as the Romans do.


http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0769547.html



http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/numbers.html


Nice picture Eldron, what's that supposed to be? Your cute little owl with a telescopic lens?


As for ocean. Space and ocean share some common traits.


In old days navigators sailed by usage of stars. Space-travel when navigational computers are down. Work the same way. They navigate by stars and star systems. But the one other thing they have in common is both space-travel, and ocean voyaging have to have coordinates. A longitude and a Latitude direction.

The roman numerals that are written. Most accurately "suggest" that this is a coordinate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trifid_cipher This may also shed some light on our subject.
AQW Epic  Post #: 98
7/15/2009 20:56:34   
frogboy52295
Member

maybe we need to solve teh first puzzle to and use that as our code!
AQ DF  Post #: 99
7/15/2009 21:02:04   
xoloitzcuintli
Member

Dragonnightwolf, that cipher is great and all, but how do we solve it? How do you know it's a trifid cipher, and how would we use CLCVII, (150, 107), Arctic, or anything else as a code with that?

< Message edited by xoloitzcuintli -- 7/15/2009 21:15:29 >
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