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12/26/2009 11:22:33   
Bu Kek Siansu
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Yep, reduce your END as low as possible and just increase your STR and/or INT.
I suggest you to train your STR first, but it's up to you. :p
Post #: 26
12/26/2009 11:28:12   
necrolich66
Member

wel i'll put it in STR and just a little in INT fo an extra spel/battle
so i can use 5 times a realy strong spell
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 27
12/26/2009 12:31:02   
moneybags
More than a Game

 

 Hmm, looks like a BeastHybrid. A very spread out build....

First of all, one huge thing you're missing is DEX. Its a must-have stat, whether you are a Hybrid, Striker, Gunner, whatever. You need it. It gives you BtH (higher percentage of hitting an enemy) and a higher blocking chance. Without it, you'll be hitting less, also bringing down your average damage, and also taking in more damage. You may not need it now, but as you get into higher and higher levels, you'll need it more and more, so why not start now? (Oh yes, and did I mention that it also affects the BtH of spells?)

As you've stated, I'd take out as much END as I can right now. At low levels, you don't need it, and the BeastHybrid build is a pretty offensive build. The 5 LUK would also need to be untrained, because one, BeastHybrids can't afford to use stat points on LUK, and two, with 5 LUK, you won't see a significant change in Lucky Hit attacks, BtH, etc.

Now, moving on towards CHA. You can train it down to 35. Why? Because there's this CHA-giving misc, the Emerald Star of Courage. It only takes 50 SP (which is about two turns of charging up SP if you have an empty bar), but it gives you 15 CHA as well as -5% to Fire and Earth resistances, which is not bad at low levels. Best of all, it only costs 100 gold, so its a good item to pick up if you need that 50 CHA.

Your 70 INT is quite high, a bit too high IMO. However, if you want it that high, keep it that way since it'll be at 70 sooner or later. As Strangeface said, I'd much rather you put it into STR, or perhaps DEX.
Epic  Post #: 28
12/26/2009 12:50:31   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

Ok if that what you want. :p

I have a Pure Technician with 200 INT, but I hardly use it since there isn't Magic Weapon at all,
also there aren't enough single casting spells and I just can use at max 3 times a casting spell.

I know, as a Technician you can use Guns, but Magic Weapons belong to Technicians
which can provide more damage than Guns in this case!

I just prefer to play with my Pure Striker with 200 STR, 40-50 DEX.
Post #: 29
12/26/2009 13:46:17   
necrolich66
Member

well ok for the luck and END that has to be lowered
i don't whant pure tech because i need STR for DMG
about CHA i don't whant to have to need an item but i could use it
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 30
1/6/2010 17:48:57   
Lord Athor
Member

I'm striker class lvl 50 and right now I have a build of:

STR: 125
DEX: 75
END: 50

I'm thinking about changing the build but I'd like some advice. I'm thinking 1) switching from DEX to LUK and 2) if I really need END at this time since I rarley go below half END even when doing two battles i a row. The ideas I'm toying with is either

STR: 200
LUK: 50

STR: 175
LUK: 75

STR: 125
END: 50
LUK: 75

STR: 150
LUK: 100

I've decided not to go BM at this moment in time, might concider that at a later date depending on what pets are released, same with Tech build since there are no magic weapons yet.


I'd appreciate any advice. My character page

Post #: 31
1/6/2010 18:35:28   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

Go for the max damage and a bit for the Lucky Strikes: 200 STR, 50 LUK.
You don't need to train END at this moment.
Post #: 32
1/6/2010 20:00:29   
Lord Athor
Member

Ok, I'll try that. Thanks.

Now I've got some untraining to do *sigh*


Stat cost list

Value-------------Gold------------Tokens
5------------------------12---------------------1
10-----------------------15---------------------1
15-----------------------19---------------------1
20-----------------------24---------------------1
25-----------------------30---------------------1
30-----------------------38---------------------1
35-----------------------47---------------------2
40-----------------------59---------------------2
45-----------------------74---------------------3
50-----------------------93---------------------4
55----------------------116---------------------5
60----------------------145---------------------7
65----------------------181---------------------9
70----------------------227--------------------11
75----------------------284--------------------14
80----------------------355--------------------17
85----------------------444--------------------22
90----------------------555--------------------27
95----------------------693--------------------34
100---------------------867--------------------43
105-------------------1084--------------------54
110-------------------1355--------------------67
115-------------------1694--------------------84
120-------------------2117-------------------105
125-------------------2646-------------------132
130-------------------3308-------------------165
135-------------------4135-------------------206
140-------------------5169-------------------258
145-------------------6462-------------------323
150-------------------8077-------------------403
155------------------10097-------------------504
160------------------12621-------------------631
165------------------15777-------------------788
170------------------19721-------------------986
175------------------24651------------------1232
180------------------30814------------------1540
185------------------38518------------------1925
190------------------48148------------------2407
195------------------60185------------------3009
200------------------75231------------------3761

< Message edited by Lord Athor -- 1/10/2010 10:05:08 >
Post #: 33
1/11/2010 12:23:52   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

Training Cost for STR, DEX, INT, END, CHA, LUK ~ Made by Lord Athor
quote:

Value  Gold  Tokens 
  5     12     1 
 10     15     1 
 15     19     1 
 20     24     1 
 25     30     1 
 30     38     1 
 35     47     2 
 40     59     2 
 45     74     3 
 50     93     4 
 55    116     5 
 60    145     7 
 65    181     9 
 70    227    11 
 75    284    14 
 80    355    17 
 85    444    22 
 90    555    27 
 95    693    34 
100    867    43 
105   1084    54 
110   1355    67 
115   1694    84 
120   2117   105 
125   2646   132 
130   3308   165 
135   4135   206 
140   5169   258 
145   6462   323 
150   8077   403 
155  10097   504 
160  12621   631 
165  15777   788 
170  19721   986 
175  24651  1232 
180  30814  1540 
185  38518  1925 
190  48148  2407 
195  60185  3009 
200  75231  3761
Post #: 34
1/14/2010 13:19:50   
searis
Member
 

 so, you can't use techs when you train? is that written somewhere?
AQ  Post #: 35
1/14/2010 20:39:04   
BlueKatz
Member

No each training prevent u from using some thing, like train INT prevent Tech, Luck prevent potion...
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 36
1/15/2010 1:05:30   
moneybags
More than a Game

 

 Here's a complete list:
Strength: No techs. High Ranged and Magic defense, meaning you must attack with Melee
Dexterity: No techs. High Magic defense, so you should attack with either Melee or Ranged
Intellect: Techs are usable. Attack button disabled. All defenses are equal.
Charisma: All buttons are usable. High defenses.
Endurance: All buttons are usable. High-ish defenses.
Luck: Potions disabled. All others are usable. Defenses are low.
Epic  Post #: 37
1/15/2010 11:50:48   
searis
Member
 

 Thanks moneybags!
AQ  Post #: 38
1/17/2010 20:11:39   
mccadney
Member

im a lv29 gunner and my stats are
dex-45
cha-45
luk-50
i am only adding on the 3 for the time being is this a ok build?
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 39
1/17/2010 20:17:19   
moneybags
More than a Game

 

 Yup, thats perfectly acceptable. I'd focus more on DEX / LUK, and leave CHA lagging a little bit behind for now, though, since at level 29, the pets don't require a lot of CHA. And even with the additional CHA damage bonus, it wouldn't make much a difference in damage.
Epic  Post #: 40
1/23/2010 13:06:31   
Alternia
Member

I'm at level 30, aiming for the lucky striker build with more emphasis on luck than dexterity.

55 Strength & Luck
40 Dexterity

Should I change anything?
AQ DF  Post #: 41
1/23/2010 13:13:29   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

No, it's already fine as it is and just continue to train your STR and LUK.
Post #: 42
1/31/2010 16:59:11   
Manga Maniac
Member

The new WarpGuardian level cap is 55, so level 55 should be highlighted in red, I think.

quote:

The level cap is now 60, fixed! Thanks! ~Mysterious Strangeface


< Message edited by Mysterious Strangeface -- 2/19/2010 13:28:11 >
Post #: 43
2/18/2010 22:51:11   
Bugzy
Member
 

 Here's a question about gunners and suit abilities. If I don't train strength, does that reduce effectiveness of the abiltities such as the warptrooper's knee attack?
Post #: 44
2/18/2010 23:05:01   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

Bugzy: No. :p
Post #: 45
2/18/2010 23:23:10   
Necrophades
Member

Are there any plans for non-gun ranged weapons that take damage bonus from DEX? The ability for DEX to give damage to non-tech, non-gun ranged attacks is being kinda useless except for ranged converter armor abilities.

Oh yeah, since this is discussing stats training. I am running a Pure Striker. Up until I get END to 50, I intend to have twice as much STR/DEX as END. Is this an effective plan?

< Message edited by Necrophades -- 2/18/2010 23:26:00 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 46
2/18/2010 23:47:40   
Bu Kek Siansu
Member

I just can answer the second one. Yes, that's a good plan.
Or first high STR and DEX behind like my Pure Striker.
Post #: 47
2/19/2010 0:28:13   
moneybags
More than a Game

 
quote:

Are there any plans for non-gun ranged weapons that take damage bonus from DEX? The ability for DEX to give damage to non-tech, non-gun ranged attacks is being kinda useless except for ranged converter armor abilities.


No. Its because of two reasons:
1) Its not logical. Does it really take strength to press the gun trigger? Absolutely not. It does, however, to require dexterity for accuracy.
2) Since you don't need to train STR as a Gunner (unlike in AQ), you can use those points on another stat, without sacrificing LUK. The stats saved may be trained on INT, CHA, etc., while your Luck is there to compensate for the lesse gun damage.
Epic  Post #: 48
2/19/2010 14:00:28   
necrolich66
Member

a question
if i max my INT and CHA
and get rid of STR
i can use my spells until i have no MP and use astramorph to be more powerfull with STR weps
until i can balance my stats (with low lvl it's hard to get good builds)
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 49
2/19/2010 15:26:33   
CODTim
Member

wow. 72k just for 5 points? thats expensive, most monsters only give less than 50 gold
AQ  Post #: 50
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