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5/12/2011 20:58:54   
H4ll0w33n
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@ Endtime

couldnt agree with you more.
Post #: 26
5/12/2011 20:59:58   
king julian
Member

mercs were nerfed slightly but ur thinking of just making then completely week giving you a big advantage.
cause the only way they will nerf is if every class is effected like agility and focus, of course they do tiny nerfs but the dev's usally look at how all classes can be effected!
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 27
5/12/2011 21:10:56   
IsaiahtheMage
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@Xxmirxx Honestly nerf mages? Are you kidding me?! They are the most UPed class of year. When was the last time you heard someone complaing about being killed in 2 turns by Mage when? I cant recall. Mages need to buffed not nerfed you are trying to nerf the Mages out of existence why? If we make them any weaker they wont be able to keep with any of the other classes. They barely can now! I mean. They need their main weapon for half of their skill tree. They have one physical useless staff. They have 4 moves that are useless at higher level while Mercs have none and Bounties have only 2. How is that balanced? Why would you wanna make them weaker? I dont understand your logic.
AQW Epic  Post #: 28
5/12/2011 21:14:13   
endtime
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@Lord Sinastir
Tell me in what way a +5 mercenary could have an advantage over a +5 bounty? EMP drains all of the mercs skills and hybrid only comes into effect during the physical robot, while bloodlust works every turn and shadow arts makes the mercenary's robot dangerous to use.

< Message edited by endtime -- 5/12/2011 21:16:07 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 29
5/12/2011 21:17:51   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 No there not varium mages get up to 90 to 96 percent is that Uped. as non varium mages get 75 to 80 is that Uped power. there are more non varium mages that are over 20k as non varium. Its really non varium bounty are Uped.
AQ Epic  Post #: 30
5/12/2011 21:19:35   
the final hour
Banned


 the support nerf hit mercs quite hard since multi improoves with support also intimidate not that intimidate was ever that useful since it doesnt affect robots or auxes that said ive played as a merc and a bh and a merc all variumed out and i can see the argument from both sides mercs are powerful but certainly not unbeatable hybrid aint what it used to be multi aint what it used to be their not overpowered at all .
Post #: 31
5/12/2011 22:05:40   
Shadronica
Member

Nerfing Mercs??!! Geez just leave the nerfs alone PLEASE!

I totally agree with several posters on here that a 5 focus BH cleans up a 5 focus tech Merc. Not only do they clean up the merc but they usually finish the match with a fair amount of HP.

Seriously I find the Bounty Hunters have the most OP builds in this game and have entertained the thought of joining them but I just can't seem to bring myself to join the mob of sheep.

Yes there is imbalance in the game but honestly nerfing them is not the way to go.

Balance well never be perfect in this game but we can only hope that sometime soon we can have a pvp game back again that will resemble fairness without the RNG luck factor interfering as it does far too much.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 32
5/12/2011 23:22:08   
AQWPlayer
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quote:

I think mages need to be nerf were just way to good. PLEASE DEV'S NERF MAGES WE NEED IT AGAIN

A better idea would be to BUFF mages, NERF varium, and give non variums more releases, not just varium items.
AQW  Post #: 33
5/13/2011 0:17:13   
Remorse
Member

EDITED . Plz read the edited section and continue discussion.

Ty Remorse Less
Epic  Post #: 34
5/13/2011 2:36:53   
sk1tz
Member
 

 Ok im gettin sick and tired of these people moaning and crying about mercs being oped instead of actually using their brain and trying to beat them, its getting silly people.

This is how it works! IF SAME IN STATS! and use your brain!!

for a eg. of a mage not using his brain, is mage with all energy weapons, say bye to 90% against mercs!
your weapon setup is as much to play as your stats and skills!

ok here is the basic lowdown!

Merc beats BH 90% of time
BH beats Mage 90% of time
Mage beats Merc 90% of time

Mages your only build what will get u 90% ratio against mercs is SUPPORT/MALFUNCTION
BH your only build what will get u 90% ratio against mages is STRENGTH/BLOODLUST
Mercs your only build what will get you 90% ratio against bh's is DEX/INTIMIDATE

sometimes a mage will beat a BH IF USES SHIELDS!
sometimes a merc will beat a mage IF DEFLECTS ONCE
sometimes a BH will beat a merc IF BLOCK TWICE

1 Crit=90% of time a win against any class

NERFS AND BUFFS ARE NOT NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Post #: 35
5/13/2011 4:01:06   
Khannibal
Member

Sk1tz, I completely Disagree with you.

You say a mage using all energy weapons can't beat a mercenary? You're wrong.
I always use all energy weapons, albeit because there are no viable Physical staffs yet, but I do win upto 90% of the time using tactics.

It's just very tricky, difficult and slow, no mercenaries do not deserve to be Nerfed, but Mages truly deserve to be buffed, there really is no discussion to be had regarding leaving Mercs alone, and Mages are overpowered. They aren't, they have a number of useless skills, start with lower base HP, don't have a fully reliable build and generally suffer against bandwagon builds.

Khannibal

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AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 36
5/13/2011 4:07:31   
Remorse
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Everyone posting in this discussion , THE ORIGNAL IDEA OF NERFING MERCS IS CHANGED, Read EDIT instead of complaining about people complaining about nerfing, it's a bit hypocritical.
thank you Remorse Less
Epic  Post #: 37
5/13/2011 4:07:47   
sk1tz
Member
 
quote:

You say a mage using all energy weapons can't beat a mercenary? You're wrong.


Mercenarys with half a brain would switch hybrid and win.
iv never lost to a full energy mage and i doubt that will ever change.

Mages DO NOT need a buff, they may have less skills, but to be honest they are VERY good skills. used correctly a mage is more less unbeatable with the use of boosters. a booster for a mage is alot more useful than a booster for any other class, alot of people forget that.
Post #: 38
5/13/2011 4:33:55   
Remorse
Member

I see your point Skitz mages do have good skills your right, but having these good skills doesnt take into account for all the bad ones mages and BH's have , im simply sugesting that by improving some bad skills BHs and Mages have that creativity could be broguht back into the game and at the same time counter some really overpowered builds such as tanks. But the good skills mages have should be left as they are because you are right these skills are very good.
Epic  Post #: 39
5/13/2011 4:42:11   
sk1tz
Member
 

 ^ i agree :)
Post #: 40
5/13/2011 6:37:51   
Khannibal
Member

Yes, we do have relevant skills, but as stated by Remorse, we have far too many unusable ones.

And Sk1tz, I'm assuming you're not taking into account that I do a Phys loop?
Bludgeon, Phys Bot, Energy Launcher, Bludgeon and so on?

You may believe it won't happen any time soon, just hope then ;]

Yes, a lot of you are mentioning how heal looping was overpowered, but you fail to take into account how much more damage someone can dish out now as opposed to 2 years ago. People could hardly keep up with the Heal Input compared to the Damage Output they displayed, which made heal looping relatively overpowered, but what about now?

Khannibal
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 41
5/13/2011 6:44:38   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

baby say what

lol
AQ Epic  Post #: 42
5/13/2011 7:38:49   
pinoy idols
Member

quote:

No there not varium mages get up to 90 to 96 percent is that Uped. as non varium mages get 75 to 80 is that Uped power. there are more non varium mages that are over 20k as non varium. Its really non varium bounty are Uped.

@mir dude I dont understand what ur trying to say. can u please clarify that?

< Message edited by pinoy idols -- 5/13/2011 7:39:34 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 43
5/13/2011 7:43:23   
T.600
Member

quote:

@mir dude I dont understand what ur trying to say. can u please clarify that?


Here I'll translate it into more "understandable terms".

No, is there not varium mages that can get a 90-96% win percent? Is that underpowered? Non varium mages are capable of gettin a 75-80% as well. Is that underpowered? There are more non varium mages who have over 20k wins than the other non varium classes, in particular non varium bounties. The truth is that the non varium bounties are the underpowered ones.

NOTE: That is not my opinion, I just translated what he said.

< Message edited by T.600 -- 5/13/2011 7:55:41 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 44
5/13/2011 7:49:32   
pinoy idols
Member

well tnx T.600, at least I understood it better, and i agree that non-varium BHs (like me) are UPed. well that's my opinion based from my experiences.
AQW Epic  Post #: 45
5/13/2011 7:55:42   
Remorse
Member

I agree with Khannibal , if heal loopeing was braught back i'd doubt it would be anywhere near as good as it used to be, being the only build tht seems to appear these days are the powerful builds, anything less than 100, HP you can almost be sure that the player will either spam something, or have 4-5 focus , it's a shame really because before the need to make powerful build, this game was alot more enjoyable. In my opinion Builds had to switch to power in order to counteract tanks, which now days it the basis for all power, meaning the sytem is really messed up.
Epic  Post #: 46
5/13/2011 8:26:35   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Skitz This is in no way balanced. Non varium and Varium Mages need a buff. Its unfair how there so limited compared to other classes. Non varium Bh needs a buff Varium BH is fine. Mercs need no buff. Infact maybe all classes passives and skills should return to regular form(Without any requirements and no nerfing).
AQW Epic  Post #: 47
5/13/2011 8:48:45   
Sageofpeace
Member

This is the reason that the game has gotten worse because people who don't know how to play keep complaining saying we need nerf. there was only one time when nerf was need and it was when heal looper were alive aside from that nerf is not need it.
Post #: 48
5/13/2011 9:45:50   
Luna_moonraider
Member

Funny thing is most mage beat these 5 focus mercs with their high support high malf builds and mages are considered Uped lolz i m really laughing and btw no more nerfs i m sick of them and look at wat they did to mages when we all asked for nerf basically i take more thinking to make a mage build now because of the nerf the devs made. reasons y a 5 focus merc lose to high support high malf mage is 1) they do not have debuff robo 2) they waste a turn or hp swaping hybrid or using bloody shield. 3) thier so call best atk thier robo has been weaken by malf. All build have weakness deal with it. the only thing the devs should do now is to balance 2v2 not nerf this class nerf that class.

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5/13/2011 10:21:34   
Remorse
Member

quote:

This is the reason that the game has gotten worse because people who don't know how to play keep complaining saying we need nerf. there was only one time when nerf was need and it was when heal looper were alive aside from that nerf is not need it.
WOW just a bit mean, i didn't think i'd get called "bad at this game" , persides if you read the EDIT, the discussion has changed from nerfing mercs to improving useless skills mages and BH's have. Please stop flaming me without reading the edit.

Thank you Remorse Less
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