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7/14/2011 2:26:48   
LatinLover/Martini
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quote:


I Completely Agree. Since The Close Of The Old ED Forum, Factions Have Lost Some Of Their Personality.


i think also that some of top players or talkers or whatevers have lost some of theyre personality too... we have restrictions on here and on the other one i liked how i could express myself.
AQW Epic  Post #: 76
7/14/2011 5:52:18   
Sipping Cider
Member

Maybe if you could personalize them more? like the actual headquarters?

And if there were other ways to recruit members, like you could pay credits to put out an add and then people who are not in a faction view adds after logging on and before the Whats New? page pops up.
Epic  Post #: 77
7/14/2011 6:33:44   
Buffy A. Summers
Member

I'll Give You An Example Of What Latin is Touching On...

If I Could Speak "Freely" Of What I Think Of Certain Players, Factions, Mods, Etc...Both in Game And In The Forum...

Let's Just Say... ED Would Heat Up Fast! lol

It's Hard To Start/Maintain A Rivarly Or Express Yourself When You Are Literally Censored From What You Can And Cannot Say.

The Old ED Forum Used To Allow Much More "Trash Talk" Between Players And Factions. This Led To More Heated Player/Faction Rivals, And Ultimately More Fun!

Games Are Suppossed To Be Fun...If I Can't Speak My Mind, That Restricts Both An Emotional And Mental Aspect That Gameplay Is All About.

It's More Problamatic In A PvP Game As Oppossed To Say, AQW...As The Entire Concept Of This Game Is Competetion/Battle/Conflict.

Seeing As Though Many Players Are Older Than 13, And Most 17+...It Seems A Bit Restrictive That We Cannot Use Language Used In Most PG-13 Movies.

What A Shame, ED Could Be ALOT More "Fun" If They Lightened Up And Let Us Be A Bit More Free.


P.S. ~ This Thread Has Been Very Interesting...It Is Actually Revealing How The Admins/Mods/Forum Are Totally Responsible For Not Evolving Factions/Faction Wars...

And Not Giving Players More "Purpose And Reward" For Running/Maintaining A "Top" Faction.

So, In Closing, It's Pretty Clear To Many In This Thread That The Problem Is Not Becuase Of The Players But Those Who Run The Game For Not Doing Anything New Regarding Factions...

Classes Have Evolved, Stats, Map Areas, Missions, Even The Storyline...But Factions Were The "HEART" Of The Beta Phase...

They Have Not Improved On This Game Aspect At All...

The Only Gamma Phase Faction Evolution...The War Cannons, Actually Did The Opposite...It Made The Factions/Faction War/World Domination...Less Meaningful.

An Expensive "Varium Feature" As The Only Real "Expansion" To Factions/Faction War In Many Months Turned Many Away From The Game And From World Domination Being "Fairly" Won.

An Example Of How Titan & NW Did Not Follow Through On A Promise Made Long Ago Is 'Faction Founder Step Down'.

This Would Have Been A "Free" Feature That Could Have Improved Faction Importance...Keeping Many Of The Disbanded Factions Intact With A Top Officer Now Leading The Team.

Keeping The 'Legacy' Of What A Faction Accomplished By Allowing Others To Continue It, Would Have Been A Nice Option If The Original Leader Was Unable/Unwilling To Continue.

Factions Were the Core Of The Beta Phase, As Top Players Were Very Linked With Their Faction And Faction Pride And Rivalry Was Key.

But The Admins Did Little To Evolve This Aspect Of Gameplay These Past Months (Gamma). Despite Many Threads And Ideas Suggesting Ways To Do Just That.

Let's Hope They Listen And Learn, Especially Taking Note Of Long Time Player/Faction Leaders Who Have Alot More Invested In The Success And Evolution Of the Faction Wars.

Hint Hint...

Get To Work Guys - (Titan, NW, Charfade, Cinderella)

The Game And ED Community Have Been Getting Louder About This For Some Time...It's The Most Important Aspect Of Gameplay Outside Of The Actual Battle System Itself.

I Don't Need To Offer Anymore Suggestions...Myself And Dozens Of Other Players Have Numerous Threads Of Recent With Many Ideas On What Can/Should Be Done.

Let's Hope They Take The Time To Read And Listen To What We All Have Said, Again And Again.

Factions Matter. Alot.

Time To Evolve Them With The Focus On FUN.

I Dedicate This Post To My Fallen Angel. We All Look Forward To Your Triumphant Forum Return!



< Message edited by Buffy A. Summers -- 7/14/2011 7:27:28 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 78
7/14/2011 7:42:45   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

An Example Of How Titan & NW Did Not Follow Through On A Promise Made Long Ago Is 'Faction Founder Step Down'.

u know whats funny about that?
a hacker was able to step down wiseman and become founder of KOTR to then kick and disban kotr
yup a hacker, and im betting that hacker was probably like 16 years old. so idk why this feature isn't ingame yet

another thing about the WDs both top factions of each allignment should get it. and have the defeat tax like it was before.
AQW Epic  Post #: 79
7/14/2011 7:57:14   
MrBones
Member

quote:

It's Hard To Start/Maintain A Rivarly Or Express Yourself When You Are Literally Censored From What You Can And Cannot Say.


quote:

If I Could Speak "Freely" Of What I Think Of Certain Players, Factions, Mods, Etc...Both in Game And In The Forum...


quote:

Games Are Suppossed To Be Fun...If I Can't Speak My Mind, That Restricts Both An Emotional And Mental Aspect That Gameplay Is All About


You are completly right (as usual might I add).

They say they have a tiny team, tiny budget but have time to ban players and force some players to change theirs forums names ( I wonder who could that be and looks in the mirror...ha yes ).

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Epic  Post #: 80
7/15/2011 15:29:43   
Buffy A. Summers
Member

< BUMP >

I Really Feel This Has Been A Great Thread With Alot Of Support Towards Improving On Faction/Faction War/WD.

I'd Hate To See It Get Buried.

AQW Epic  Post #: 81
7/15/2011 15:43:57   
goldslayer1
Member

@buffy
same.
well after the reset CAD's getting another medal :D
AQW Epic  Post #: 82
7/15/2011 15:54:35   
LatinLover/Martini
Member

hey wanted to say buffy you know exactly what im talking bout.... People who should be known arent well known anymore... i talk alot more then wins so im still a warlord... yay epic noobnes... people think i like just started playing.... i wish the game culd put in on ur char page when u started playing..
AQW Epic  Post #: 83
7/15/2011 16:39:04   
shaolin hunt
Member

quote:

Knights used their status to recruit members, the members joined because they thought that they could become mods.

I have to say that is not true...people who join are experienced players that have played a long time, Wise has multiple things he considers before letting a person join. The people who do get in are not idiots thinking they will become mods. The only exception is when we are rebuilding, it gets a bit more lenient.

On the topic of this thread I do find it odd that there aren't more competitive factions, Beta was way more competitive than it is now.
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 84
7/15/2011 16:57:27   
TurkishIncubus
Member

No body cares the faction related medals because , total faction system doesnt give anything to players , like buffy said , if a faction wins 1000 1vs1 champs it will be same with a faction that has 0 1vs1 champs.

Faction System = Pointless

This game obsessed with balance and fair , cmon Dev Somethings should be unfair and give players advantages to make this game have purpose.

We need some reasons to fight for , we are taking meaningless wins that realy doesnt give anything to us.

Devs stop making useless/pointless/meaningless updates and focus on giving a purpose/reason to the current system.

More enjoyable game = More players = More money , just think about it ;)

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Epic  Post #: 85
7/15/2011 17:03:31   
.PinkMoose.
Member

I agree with u Buffy it is all Circe fault then
Epic  Post #: 86
7/17/2011 9:33:59   
Wiseman
Member

There's two issues that cause the faction war to be extremely uneven (talking about the 1v1 and 2v2 competition not WD).

The first is that most of the really active players tend to jump to whichever faction is on top at the time, causing imbalance in activity, because the top factions can win without even trying. CAD is a good example, at this time they have a large majority of the more active players, and they could win the daily 1v1 without trying that hard because of that. If it was KotR with that many active players I'd simply tell my members to stop overworking themselves after getting 2500 or so wins, since none of the other factions seem to get over 2000 lately, unless they plan for it.

The second is the fact that there is no real incentive to winning, medals can only go so far, when you win a medal every once and a while its great, and each one means something. However when you start winning all the time they become redundant, and almost pointless, as such there's no real incentive to try that hard to win over the overactive faction(s) that the most active players flock to.

It's kinda like the class change system, a new overpowered faction pops up and suddenly everyone wants to join it. I've seen this in action, back when KotR was at its peak activity and we won almost 2 weeks straight with little effort. Many active players suddenly wanted to join, and a lot of those players where already in established factions. I refused most of them knowing that if KotR fell on hard times, or if a new "best" faction suddenly appeared, they would simply hop over to it.

Ironically after being active for so long, I find that taking it easy and playing how and when we want is far more enjoyable. It requires a lot of time and effort to win every day, even with a great team, and in the end the rewards aren't really worth the effort. Taking it easy and playing whenever we like is fun and enjoyable, on top of that when we do win something it's usually planned, and planned wins are more satisfying then winning daily. KotR will probably never become as active as it once was, not because we can't, but because I don't think the sacrifice of being an active faction is worth the reward. KotR is a famous faction, whether we are active or not, there's not many factions that have a legacy as long or as interesting as ours, and I prefer that our faction have fun rather than overwork ourselves being competitive.

Does that mean that we will never win another WD or 1v1? Not exactly, I still have goals for KotR that require a few more medals along the way, however I intend to take my time making those goals happen, and when the day finally comes for KotR to officially retire, I would rather look back and see that we had a long enjoyable ride that will not be forgotten, rather than a short exhausting one that meant practically nothing in the end. I also prefer that KotR be remembered as a faction with a long standing history of success, rather than an upstart faction that just had overactive players. I also prefer to be remember as a leader that never gives up even when things don't go as planned and we fall on hard times, rather then one that was drunk with success and gave up and disbanded as soon as things got a little tough.

quote:

Knights used their status to recruit members, the members joined because they thought that they could become mods.


I kick anyone that joins KotR for the sole purpose of becoming a mod, the members of KotR that have become mods over the years never intended to become mods when they joined. Those players just proved to me and the developers over time that they have what it takes to join the staff. Both of the KotR members that have became mods where in the faction for around a year, and one of them left the faction before joining the staff. Those players became mods simply by being themselves, not by trying to get the status, if they where seeking it, then they wouldn't have even been considered or recommended.

quote:

What do you think would happen if the top 18 players in ALL-TIME 1 vs 1 Leader-board was in 1 faction? ALL THESE PEOPLE IN ONE FACTION...I just say one thing, OP!


At one time KotR had 9 all time players working together as a team, honestly though, I could never imagine all of the all time players joining one faction, many of the all time players have clashing personalities. They would never get along or agree on many things when it comes to running a faction, not to mention that I doubt that many of them would be willing to let another lead. I think that KotR's record of 9 all time players in one faction is about the closest it will get, and we did have a dominate run during that time.

Putting controversy aside I believe 3SAAS had a lot of players on the all time back when they where still the top faction, though I think they only had *6 (one of their requirements to join was: Must be on the 1v1 all time leader-board. Though I'm sure they made exceptions.)

*Might be wrong about this, I can't really remember the board from back then, but I'm fairly certain it was around 6 3saas members on the all time 1v1 leader-board. If anyone knows/remembers the true number (and I'm incorrect) feel free to correct me. :)

I think that covers everything I wanted to say, I do know that the developers eventually plan to revisit factions, and hopefully when they do a lot of fun things will be added to them. The developers tend to focus on one or two aspects at a time, right now they are focused on balancing the new classes and improving the game engine.

Thanks for reading. :)

< Message edited by Wiseman -- 7/17/2011 9:51:09 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 87
7/17/2011 10:48:20   
The Shadow Dragon
Member

quote:

I Don't Want To Make This A 2vs2 Faction vs 1vs1 Faction Thing. My Point Was...The ED Community In General, Has No Appreciation Or Respect For Great All Time Factions... So Much For Your Peers Honoring Your Accomplishments.


Noone gives respect to factions because there one of the reasons that ruined ED. Youll see fully equipped varium's from a great faction in almost every single battle.

Respecting people like you is like respecting a bully for breaking youre arm. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post #: 88
7/17/2011 18:57:10   
goldslayer1
Member

well i can definetly tell u that faction competition has declined
until CAD showed up everyone would win their solo faction medals by only getting 1500-2000 wins.
heres an average day for CAD
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7803/4213facwins.png
as u can see TRV is one of those other faction that has really active members. that day TRV and CAD were going at it.
in fact that was the only time they went toe to toe. but look at 3rd and below
3rd place hardly got 900 when 1st place has 4k+
i know CAD is super active but i think others should atleast try to compete.
AQW Epic  Post #: 89
7/17/2011 19:13:27   
Feral Ninja
Member

What reward is there for 3rd place/2nd place/whatever?
NOTHING.

Why should people rally up everyone in their faction, doing their total best whilst they know that they will lose?
If you know you can't win, there's no incentive for even trying.


There should be an update (After balancing of the classes) that helps factions.
But I don't mean helping all of them.

For example (It's just an example, not suggesting anything.)
If a Faction wins at anything they get excluded the next day from that objective. (Say, 1 v 1 is won by Control Alt Death, then the next day they can't compete for the 1 v 1. though, they can still compete for 2 v 2.)

We have 3 factions.
Faction 1, 2 and 3.
Each day they have (Respectively) 4k wins, 3k wins, 2k wins.

(1v1)
Day 1: Faction 1 wins
Day 2: Since faction 1 can't compete for it, Faction 2 wins.
Day 3: Since Faction 1 can compete again, they win. However, Faction 2 cannot compete this day.

(2v2)
Day 1: Faction 2 wins.
Day 2: Since Faction 2 can't compete for it, Faction 1 wins.
Day 3: Since faction 2 can compete again, they win. Faction 1 is excluded this day.

However, this randomness also helps for Factions that want to strike secretly.
Just when nobody is expecting it, (On a day where the best faction is excluded) they attack with all force they have, eventually giving them a fair chance on winning.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 90
7/17/2011 19:17:03   
goldslayer1
Member

@feral
that day when we beat TRV
during the 1st 8-12 hours they were ahead the entire time. by like 500-600 wins.
then we started picking it up slowly. another fac would think they would loose and give up. and eventually we were ahead of TRV maintaining a lead of 300 until the last hour when we took a break.
so really its not always about knowing ur gonna loose but about more effort.
AQW Epic  Post #: 91
7/17/2011 19:20:26   
Feral Ninja
Member

I know, but most of the people (And I don't blame them) give up the hope of winning when they see (For example) that CAD is going for 1 v 1, because in their eyes, that means instant loss.

To be honest, I think there should also be ''runner up'' medals for those who are in 2nd and 3rd place. That could mean that there will be atleast another faction trying. (3 instead 1 or 2)
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 92
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